2010 NLT - Round 3 - Ratings page 6

Haha, yeah I totally cheated on the supports...
XD
I'll upload a version with custom supports sometime in the future...

lol this was such a fail round from what I see. Loved guitarplayer's track though:)

Originally posted by dcs221

What aspect of Lewis13's final helix made you think it was shaped badly?

Dude, don't even start thinking hyyyper was harsh with rating landon's track till you see it. Hahahahah.

Also, hyyyper, you know under realistic circumstances, the final breaks would function as they do in real life. Final break run lims are always on and slowing the train down is inevitable. Most new rides have this as their method of decelleration (Ka, for example). The train not slowing down is an error in Nl because you cannot specify if a transfer track is being used for a decell before a breakrun.

I just asked one question on a specific aspect. I saw both the ride and the rate, and wasn't commenting on any other ride characteristics or review statements.

[gouldy]

^ that was said with a lot of political correctness

Better than trying to put words in someone's mouth lol.

[slosprint]

Originally posted by dcs221

Manta > Tatsu

Thank you for acknowledging that

Originally posted by dcs221

I just asked one question on a specific aspect. I saw both the ride and the rate, and wasn't commenting on any other ride characteristics or review statements.

Lol, sorry. I meant that with no disrespect. I was just pointing it out that it's a lol ride, both me and landon agreed that.

[hyyyper]

Originally posted by dcs221

What aspect of Lewis13's final helix made you think it was shaped badly?

Well, the elements itself was smooth, no problem there. But the way it came out of the left-right-switch and then into the overbank and from the overbank into the final turn. It feels like its making about 5 different transitions instead of two fluid ones. This makes the element feel shocky (despite the elements being smooth).

Originally posted by ianko66


Also, hyyyper, you know under realistic circumstances, the final breaks would function as they do in real life. Final break run lims are always on and slowing the train down is inevitable. Most new rides have this as their method of decelleration (Ka, for example). The train not slowing down is an error in Nl because you cannot specify if a transfer track is being used for a decell before a breakrun.

Everybody knows NL isn't realistic when it comes to mimicing the ride operations perfectly. I could allow all sorts of things that would lead to a E-stop fail in NL, but would work in real life. But I have no way of really checking that. So I draw the line at the NoLimits E-stop, simple as that. You don't have go unrealistic to comply with that regulation. For example, you could've used a brake section. Or if you really wanted LIMs, hide the brakes and put in 3ds-LIMs.

haha. Hyyyper, please ride a real Intamin (or at least watch an onride video). Almost any major one. Then go back and look at that transition.

Exactly what you said makes the final turnaround MUCH more realistic in shaping than most done in NL.

Alright, I see where your coming from.

[hyyyper]

Originally posted by dcs221

haha. Hyyyper, please ride a real Intamin (or at least watch an onride video). Almost any major one. Then go back and look at that transition.

Exactly what you said makes the final turnaround MUCH more realistic in shaping than most done in NL.

I've ridden some Intamins, and the only one I can think of that has such an element is MF. But besides that, the transistion just didn't have one smooth transistion, but multiple small ones. I don't know if that was the intention or not, but it just felt silly and it really took the edge of the ending.

Hyyyper, you never let me down.

^ I'm pretty sure he's not talking about the element specifically, real rides (even Intamins) are full of transitions that are made up of a bunch of small ones instead of being smooth. One I can think of off the top of my head is the transition out of Goliath's Stengel Dive, where the track banks from the overbank to the 3/4 helix in about four or five small movements instead of one smooth one.

[hyyyper]

^I rode Goliath last week and that transition is only two parts: a quick transition out of the overbank, and then a slow one into the helix.

How do you think it goes from a fast transition to a slow transition?

"But the only one I can think of that has such an element is one of the two rides in the world that are most similar to his design..."


Please just watch these videos and stop talking before you keep making yourself look even less knowledgeable as a judge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVPHGIoMdXI (take particular note of the banking on the last 2 overbanks, where the characteristic in question is more visible because the speed is lower and therefore transitions aren't as drawn out)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRhNc7LOLcc&feature=fvst (Check the shaping and banking on the first and third turnarounds)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eZUZ3Hb ... re=related (Transitions between each S Hill and the corkscrew)

Fact is, these feature are done all the time, and with good reason. To take off for it in a rating means you don't know a big chunk of what you should know to be able to judge.

[hyyyper]

Originally posted by dcs221

"But the only one I can think of that has such an element is one of the two rides in the world that are most similar to his design..."

We are talking about a specific element here, what does the overall design have to do with it?

Please just watch these videos and stop talking before you keep making yourself look even less knowledgeable as a judge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVPHGIoMdXI (take particular note of the banking on the last 2 overbanks, where the characteristic in question is more visible because the speed is lower and therefore transitions aren't as drawn out)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRhNc7LOLcc&feature=fvst (Check the shaping and banking on the first and third turnarounds)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eZUZ3Hb ... re=related (Transitions between each S Hill and the corkscrew)

Fact is, these feature are done all the time, and with good reason. To take off for it in a rating means you don't know a big chunk of what you should know to be able to judge.

But, I must admit, the whole 'double banking transistion'-thing never really occured to me untill you point it out now. I have not ridden any of the above Intamins and I'm not that much into Intamins so I hadn't watched those onrides so I really never came across them. I tought MF's final overbank was a one-of-a-kind.

However, I still stand by my point that using the elements in the finale that Lewis used takes the thrill out of the ending, shaped correctly or not. Do not forget that this is not a "mimic the builder style"-contest.

Originally posted by Tidus

How do you think it goes from a fast transition to a slow transition?

It banks out of the overbank, then does nothing for a while, and then starts banking for the helix.

Isn't the title of the round "imitator"? And didn't you say you've been on MF?

With the statement in quotations, I'm saying you noted that the only ride you can think of with a similar element is MF, and I'm saying that MF should be enough considering it's the most similar to the style of the NL design in question.

BTW, B&M and Premier also do that a ton. It's not just an Intamin style thing, and again it's done for a reason.

[hyyyper]

^The title of the round is always a pun on the coaster that I have in mind when drawing up the template and rules. If I wanted people to mimic Intamin, you would've read so in the rules/guidelines.

I did not ride MF, looking back at my post, I can see how could have gottan that impression. My bad.