2015 - DISAPPOINT!

This thread is tearing everyone apart

[Paradox]

I prefer Goliath over TC.

I'm disappointed with what B&M are doing next year, and that there are no Intamins or Macks.

Manic Monte wrote:

I'm disappointed with what B&M are doing next year, and that there are no Intamins or Macks.

You're kidding...

B&M is finally building a Launching coaster, they're building the world's tallest and fastest Giga, and more Flyers and Dive coasters. How are you disappointed?

Look, I think Thunderbird is a great addition to Holiday World. The ride looks beautiful, and I'm sure the launching aspect will be interesting. Holiday World fans will be (and should be) eating this up. But I gotta be honest, take this ride out of Holiday World and put it anywhere else, and I'm not interested, not in the least. I hope the launch is mind blowing, because after that, it's all typical B&M from there on out. I'm not a fan of wing coasters in general, and Gatekeeper is one of the biggest bores on the planet imo. So yes, it's great that HW is getting a B&M and quite a good looking one aesthetically. But is there anything on this ride that excites me other than the launch. No.

Don't even get me started on the bore fest that Fury looks like. Vanilla, Vanilla, Vanilla. At least this one has a more interesting layout than Leviathan. But you go over 300ft, and this is all you can come up with? The same overly drawn out elements with no surprises. None. Zip.

I have to say, the new Flyers look far more interesting than any of the B&Ms we're getting here in the states.

[Paradox]

What paradox said. Like seriously, how could you be so dissapointed in the B&M's this year? First off with Fury, it's a classic sitdown/giga B&M, Any of their kind are amazingly fun either way. Just because it doesn't have a 200 ft loop or some crazy element doesn't mean it's a bad ride or a bad concept. Gate Keeper looks outstanding (never ridden it), with the Rectangular cut outs in the zero G bit, and the big drops, and semi long track. Like come on. And Thunderbird, do I need to even say why that ride looks amazeballs?

Just because a ride doesn't have some new spectacular element, layout or thrilling heights doesn't mean it's dissapointing and or boring. You need to seriously reconsider your thinking because you sound extremely selfish. considering these people throw in millions of dollars for your fun.

There IS an exception, however when they put down carnival rides like the looping dragon and consider that a great thrill, just no. The Hybrids both six flags are getting are really nicely designed. (Besides TC, but it'll still be fun either way). Wicked cyclone is gorgeous, they needed to get rid of that rickety monster anyways.

One last thing about Wicked cyclone, for people who were saying cyclone today was a good ride.. I've ridden that woodie hundreds of times. Depending on where you sit, it is very rough. The backseat always gave me a head ache, it felt like the front seat was the best for me, not too rough and very energizing. There were alot of boring moments, too. Most of the ride was insanely slow and seemed to barely make it around itself.

[Paradox]

Not to mention it is heavily neutered.

Paradox wrote:

I know my opinion may be in the minority, but he did ask...

God Forbid B&M keep doing exactly what they're doing, and doing it right. B&M vs Intamin is exactly the same as the whole Apple vs Samsung (and or Microsoft) crap. B&M seem to be perfecting everything that Intamin has done wrong. Wing Coasters? Furius Baco might be the ugliest train design I've ever seen in my life and that ride is nothing but a bore. Have you even seen the B&M Wing Coaster trains custom and "stock"? Both types look phenomenal. Giga coasters? I'll take Leviathan and Fury before I even step on Intimidator, atleast I don't have to worry about blacking out on the first drop on Leviathan.

Rickrollercoaster wrote:

Giga coasters? I'll take Leviathan and Fury before I even step on Intimidator, atleast I don't have to worry about blacking out on the first drop on Leviathan.

Intimidator 305 is way better than Leviathan, even when it was trimmed. At least I305 does something interesting through its layout. Besides, I grey out on Nitro every time I ride it, but I don't complain about B&M for it.

[TTD03]

This topic is deep

Rickrollercoaster wrote:

God Forbid B&M keep doing exactly what they're doing, and doing it right. B&M vs Intamin is exactly the same as the whole Apple vs Samsung (and or Microsoft) crap. B&M seem to be perfecting everything that Intamin has done wrong. Wing Coasters? Furius Baco might be the ugliest train design I've ever seen in my life and that ride is nothing but a bore. Have you even seen the B&M Wing Coaster trains custom and "stock"? Both types look phenomenal. Giga coasters? I'll take Leviathan and Fury before I even step on Intimidator, atleast I don't have to worry about blacking out on the first drop on Leviathan.

I completely agree with the comparison of Intamin vs B&M is like Apple vs. Microsoft. But I disagree with everything else. The one thing that B&M definitely has over Intamin, is reliability. Everyone can agree on that.

Everyone is going to have their own opinion

B&M tends to play things real safe. It's pushing the tech envelope that gets Intamin in situations. If it wasn't for Intamin We'd still be dropping weights down elevator shafts

[slosprint]

I'm just kind of sad to see fewer and fewer pure wooden coasters being announced with no gimmicky crap taped on. Just give me a nice, fast paced ride with PTCs on there, don't skip on the laterals, and don't engineer every turn to the point where it feels like you're riding on plastic and I'll be happy.

Wing coasters look amazing and are fun, but that's about it. They are not intense, crazy, or fast paced. Flying coasters need to make a comeback, they destroy wing coasters!
Naw I'll take a old woddie over a wing coaster anyway! But wing coaster LOOK amazing, great for pics, but really forceless.
Don't ever say a 300ft+ coaster looks boring, no coaster is boring (except for Mean Streak). Any 300ft coaster is amazing.

[afro85]

The amazing thing about wing coaster is that right and left seats have completely different sensation something that is not really noticeable on any other type of coaster! I found flying coaster interesting but quite uncomfortable.... Also not really agile.

Flying coasters are super comfy!
Look at Tatsu, after it does its over banked turn, the turn it does towards the pretzel loop is very agile.
Their are so many possibilities with flying coasters! You could do all those cool close calls with them! Manta figured that out!

[Paradox]

slosprint wrote:

I'm just kind of sad to see fewer and fewer pure wooden coasters being announced with no gimmicky crap taped on. Just give me a nice, fast paced ride with PTCs on there, don't skip on the laterals, and don't engineer every turn to the point where it feels like you're riding on plastic and I'll be happy.

I hate PTC's. I prefer timberliners instead. They are just so damn comfy.

I found what made flyers uncomfortable was not the ride itself but the waiting in the brakes because of stacking, which you cant blame on the manufacturer

Yeah I know what you mean.
I was stuck on Tatsu for about 3 min and it felt like an hour! Especially because stupid 13 yrs olds were so annoying a row in front!

Not every ride in the park should be an extreme force record breaker. You definitely need that mix of coasters to fit everyone and I think Wing coasters hit that midrange pretty solid. As a company you also don't want to cut your own markets, so if you want intensity they have inverted and floorless models for that. That also goes the same for "boring" roller coasters. Everyone who pays should be able to find at least a few rides enjoyable and not everyone wants to fall from 400ft.

My issue is don't rob the extreme group of their rides by taming and removing sections like Cedar Fair to make rides for the moderate group and the other way around as well. If you don't or can't ride intense rides at SFMM you have Goldrusher, Ninja, and Colossus for roller coasters and not many flat rides if any. Does MM even have a ferris wheel?

Each market should have an equal growth of new rides. When Cedar Point followed this model they grew like crazy. Now that they don't have a long term planner they are all over the place with consistency as well as all the management lawsuits and legal issues. It's disappointing to see these parks crumble under pressure like this from this nudge in the economy. Follow the plans that got these parks to where they are now and through harder times than these!

[Paradox]

When the parks bought the intamin rides that had issues, they forgot to keep in mind that they bought a PROTOTYPE which means it will not be perfect as it is still in its testing stages.

^
Ghostrider is at Knotts, not SFMM.
SFMM has a good amount of everything , and you were thinking of Apocalypse.
Were not running parks here......
Also 25-28 million for a moderate roller coaster is wayy to much! its good for B&M,($$$$$), as well as the park (as I said, they look great! but a flyer can get those looks/ elements, and still be an intense ride.

If my home park is going to spend 25-28 million on a ride, I don't want that money wasted on a wingrider. I want a flyer, giga, dive, multi-launch.
If im the head of a park, i would totally buy one, I see the advantages!
but as a coaster enthusiast, its a waste of potential.

^I said Goldrusher, the mine train. And Apocalypse is a bit intense. I wasn't including it on purpose