All Time Favorite Albums

to me; Catalyst-New Found Glory is a great album. Every song on there is good.

[Kev]

Originally posted by McFly

and Nobody's Fault But Mine is much better live...

Anything from LZ is much better live. [8D]

^ Well, to some extent, Kev. It isn't like they are were the most amazing live musicians, like for example compared to a group of guys like Dream Theater. I remember seeing them years ago with my folks, and all I could keep thinking was how long and boring the songs seemed to be. They just drug on and on and on .... it was not until later in life when I realized why those songs really "drug" on. [;)]

[jayman]

err, yeah...WOW. you got to see dream theatre WHEN? that's bitchen though that's not one of my favorites it might be the closest thing anyone's mentioned that comes close to the kind of music i like... go ahead come right out and call it drug music... that's what it is, but some people like music that relaxes them and some people like music that "pumps them UUUUUUPP...YEAAAH!" ( good natured sarcastic look on face)but really it's all a matter of tastes, and as much as you like slayer i enjoy songs that DRUG on, and it's cool to see how people differ in their tastes, yet still have legitimate reasons for having them. to be honest i can't stand RUSH, BUT, as a band they are way better than even some of my favorites, it's just not the type of music that appeals to me, even though i think they are one of the greatest bands, doesn't mean i have to like their music. i know that sounds wierd, but i used to be a music snob, and now i try to be objective.

[jayman]

oh, and p.s. moving pictures and their first album(for reference purposes only)are the only of their records i own, i might just give moving pictures a listen now that it's being propped... it is one hell of a well recorded album

Where do i start?

Led Zeppelin Remasters- Led Zeppelin
In Through the Out Door- Led Zeppelin
Chronicles- Rush
Best of Van Halen- Van Halen
Brain Salad Surgery- Emerson, Lake, & Palmer
Welcome Back my Friends to the Show that Never Ends- Emerson, Lake, & Palmer
Thirty Years Of Maximum R&B- The Who
Back in Black- AC/DC
Ballbreaker- AC/DC

Yeah, with all of the drugs and everything else, Zep wasn't always the best live performance...there are stories of many things going wrong on stage, including Bonham passing out at times and having to leave the stage at others, plus JP wasn't always in the best of mindsets, if you catch my drift....yet, on a good night, they are something to behold...really quite amazing.

[coolbeans326]

plus JP wasn't always in the best of mindsets, if you catch my drift

no, I don't catch your drift, explain.

Jimmy Page did a lot of heroin in the 70s, at times impairing his skill as a guitarist.

Haha...don't know what I was thinkin' there...thanks for the correction jayman.

[jayman]

um... thats heroin... no e....most of my favorite music was made by people on heroin, as well as my favorite writing and paintings. on the other hand people have mentioned bands like slayer and korn which are obviously tweaker thrash bands, differtent strokes for different folks some people like mellow pretty relaxing music and some people like thrashy shred music that makes them want to crush kill destrooooooyyy.... i personally don't think it affected jim page's playing negatively, it just didn't "shred" in a way that would make it appealing to todays metal fans...who are more likely to admire circus act stuntguitar players like joe satriani and yngwie malmsteem, whose skill mostly lies in NPS (notes per second)

Dude, if you've ever heard or seen any Zep bootlegs, especially from there later tours, you'd know that his drug usage sure wasn't helping anything...

Jayman ... I saw Dream Theater in 1996 (ish) ... Images and Words tour.
Simply amazing.

Jimmy Page .... yeah, the drugs REALLY did not help him -- most likely why he is not as revered as much as some others (like Satch) -- don't get me wrong - he IS revered, but not as much as he could be.

[jayman]

Originally posted by McFly

Dude, if you've ever heard or seen any Zep bootlegs, especially from there later tours, you'd know that his drug usage sure wasn't helping anything...

you have a point...they got kinda crappy towards the end..BUT maybe he was using more drugs becuase they were getting crappy and not the other way around..if you really wanna hear some bitchen recordings of jimi page live on drugs check out some of the yardbirds later unreleased stuff, like 20 minute versions of v.u.'s Heroin and waiting for my man... truly blissful, ps. i dont know what a satch is, but it's possible that you mean joe satriani, keep in mind that much of his playing is cliches based on the styles of people like townsend, page, clapton,hendrix who invented the sound that people (like wingie malmsteem) make sound so trite, way back in the 1960's. pehaps thes spandex clad dudes can play the guitar more accurately, and at any rate faster but they certainly haven't reached any sort of self actualization in comparison to the afore mentioned artists. to me those guys are like the thomas kinkaids of rock, sure they're really good at playing the guitar, and acomplished musicians acedemicaly, but for some reason they just don't fall into the category of "artist" in my opinion.

Yeah, I agree with Jayman...Clapton, Hendrix, SRV, AND Page can be included in that group of really influential hard rock/blues guitarists...I believe many in the guitar world think Hendrix to be THE greatest guitar player, as he had great technique, and amazing sound...Page was actually pretty sloppy, it's just Zep's amazingly heavy and innovative guitar riffs that make the difference...

[Kev]

Maybe it's just me, but I always found Page's 'sloppiness' to be sort of his trademark. As for some of their later shows, yes he did have a drug problem, but I also remember reading somewhere that he performed an entire tour with a broken finger. He had to quickly come up with an alternate playing technique for that tour, which is pretty extraordinary IMHO. For all of the LZ bootlegs that I've heard, it is Robert Plant's voice that ruined a lot of their later shows. His voice was incredible back in their early days (for a good example, watch their 1970 show on the DVD that came out not long ago), but got really nasty later on.

Hmm...yeah, I think a tour may have been cancelled due to Page's broken finger, or much more limited, because I've heard of that also...But, Plant's voice permanently lowered around '73-'74 I believe, but after that, it still sounds ok, just not really high any more, and there are times that when he can't hit high notes, it doesn't sound that great, but it's definitely not bad....

keep in mind that much of his playing is cliches based on the styles of people like townsend, page, clapton,hendrix who invented the sound that people (like wingie malmsteem)

...what! I guess you dont know much about Joe Satriani then. If you actualy listened to the variety of his songs there is simply no other artist like him. He has an amazing range of styles and skills in simply isnothing like any other guitarists from the past. There really is no type of music he cant play. Sure he was inspired by all those artists, but artists like Hendrix were all inspired by someone else or negro blues music (i use negro in a nice way (political correctness is messed up these days))

[jayman]

yeah, and now you're gonna remind me that he claimed to never hear of page, or at any rate never influenced by him. i certain;y don't think of satriani as a lousy guitar player, but his music is incredibly mainstream to the point of being trite..oh and you've made my point by stating that there isn't one "style" of music he can't play, to me he's just a skilled version of some guy who can play stairway to heaven note for note, but can't really come up with anything "creative" to speak of, and yes, as someone who is really into music, i did try very hard to find something about his music that would change my mind by borrowing a couple of c.d.s from a freind in the navy... i did see the point, but everything just seemed like a Satrianiification of something else, BUT i repeat... different strokes for different folks, now that i'm a civilian i never have to hear that kind of music, but one thing i noticed is that his music always seemed to appeal to people who cared much more about other things besides music, and even if they claimed to be into music themselves it didn't seem as important to them as, say, sex , or sports.

and no, edge, as someone who would be classified as a bleeding heart liberal by some(though not myself)i can assure you that that is not politicaly incorrect...

Anthems of Rebellion - Arch Enemy
The Curse - Atreyu
War Within - Shadows Fall

Oh goodie ... someone else in conflict with Edge (cough Jayman cough). WOOHOO!!!!

IT'S NOT ME!!!! [lol][lol]

[jayman]

hey, i know...this is a rollercoaster site, right? that's what we all have in common... but wait, we all have preferences in what kind of rides we like, and even within catergorixations of rides we have different ideas of what makes a ride good, or in any case better than others, so lets use that as a parralel... i like wooden coasters, not just the riding part itself, but the way it's structured and the way speed and intensity are illusions caused by they way they are built.... others like the newer more itense rides, where it isn't an illusion, you really are haulin a**at 80 miles an hour (as far as actuall riding goes this is AWESOME, but since no limits is only visual it can't be well interpreted), and they go upside down. many of them just start by launching one out of the station at 80 miles an hour , but when it comes down to it the fact that for some reason or other we all are into rollercoasters enough to be wasting our time building rollercoasters in our little computer worlds, and this discussion shows thatv we are to some degre passionate about music as well. may be we should just realize on the fact that we all like music....alot... and rollercoasters too. this certainly shouldn't be about conflict.hell yeah i love rollercoasters and music, whoo hoo

to me he's just a skilled version of some guy who can play stairway to heaven note for note

First off all, Stairway To Heaven is an easy song to play by anyones standards and imo is some what over-rated, second of all you mention he lacks creativity, thats pure BS. Satriani has inspired a generation of geat guitarists (Kirk Hammet, Steve Vai etc etc) Although his style of genre changes frequently, his guitar style and skills as a artist doesnt change and is no doubt one of the all time greatest artists, and has even pioneered the Pitch Axis theory, something guitarists before had not done. Also Satriani's arsenal of guitar effects and techniques are not present in guitarists before him. Satriani has literaly re-invented the tremelo bar (whammy bar) which was barly touched upon in earlier music. Saying some of Satriani's songs lack any creativity as said is just plain BS. There is very few other guitarists that show the knowledge of a guitar that Satriani has

[coolbeans326]

why not have conflict? it makes the site more interesting. I dunno any other site where you can argue over something with a mod and not get banned. That's why this site is awsome.

lmao yeah. Jayman could say whatever he wants to me and i really wouldnt mind[lol] Its all for a good cause, we argue - fight about it for a couple of hours - then agree i was right!

[jayman]

yer not getting it... i, really do.. think he is an awesome guitarist, noone can deny that, it would be idiotic. that's not the point. there's just something too ... normal ... about his music... i don't hear it and say wow, ... but to be fair i know you'd call the musicians i like a bunch of pussies... and it would be for the same reason... it's because we're passionate about different elements in music.. no harm...