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Post July 28th, 2006, 2:42 pm

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Web sites like Amazon.com and MySpace.com may soon be inaccessible for many people using public terminals at American schools and libraries, thanks to the U.S. House of Representatives.

By a 410-15 vote on Thursday, politicians approved a bill that would effectively require that "chat rooms" and "social networking sites" be rendered inaccessible to minors, an age group that includes some of the Internet's most ardent users. Adults can ask for permission to access the sites.

"Social networking sites such as MySpace and chat rooms have allowed sexual predators to sneak into homes and solicit kids," said Rep. Ted Poe, a Texas Republican and co-founder of the Congressional Victim's Rights Caucus. "This bill requires schools and libraries to establish (important) protections."

Even though politicians apparently meant to restrict access to MySpace, the definition of off-limits Web sites is so broad the bill would probably sweep in thousands of commercial Web sites that allow people to post profiles, include personal information and allow "communication among users." Details will be left up to the Federal Communications Commission.

The list could include Slashdot, which permits public profiles; Amazon, which allows author profiles and personal lists; and blogs like RedState.com that show public profiles. In addition, many media companies, such as News.com publisher CNET Networks, permit users to create profiles of favorite games and music.

"While targeted at MySpace, the effects are far more wide-ranging than that, including sites like LinkedIn," said Mark Blafkin, a representative of the Association for Competitive Technology, which counts small- to medium-size technology companies as members. "Nearly any news site now permits these types of behaviors that the bill covers."

House Republicans have enlisted the Deleting Online Predators Act, or DOPA, as part of a poll-driven effort to address topics that they view as important to suburban voters in advance of November's elections. Republican pollster John McLaughlin surveyed 22 suburban districts and presented his research at a retreat earlier this year. DOPA was part of the result.
Defining off-limits sites

DOPA does not define "chat rooms" or "social networking sites" and leaves that up to the Federal Communications Commission. It does offer the FCC some guidance on defining social networking sites (though not chat rooms):

"In determining the definition of a social networking Web site, the Commission shall take into consideration the extent to which a Web site--

(i) is offered by a commercial entity;

(ii) permits registered users to create an online profile that includes detailed personal information;

(iii) permits registered users to create an online journal and share such a journal with other users;

(iv) elicits highly personalized information from users; and

(v) enables communication among users."

"Social networking sites, best known by the popular examples of MySpace, Friendster and Facebook, have literally exploded in popularity in just a few short years," said Rep. Mike Fitzpatrick, a Pennsylvania Republican and one of DOPA's original sponsors. Now, he added, those Web sites "have become a haven for online sexual predators who have made these corners of the Web their own virtual hunting ground."

Fitzpatrick's re-election campaign is one reason why the Republican leadership, which is worried about retaining their slender House majority, arranged a vote on DOPA. Fitzpatrick, who represents a politically moderate district outside of Philadelphia, has found himself in a tight race against challenger Patrick Murphy, an Iraq War veteran and prosecutor.

Technology lobbying groups, which were taken by surprise by this week's speedy approval of DOPA in the House, are now scrambling to throw up roadblocks to the measure in the Senate. Some expect that the Senate leadership will hold a vote as early as next week. (Libraries also oppose the measure.)

"This bill is well-intentioned, but it is highly overbroad and would create big obstacles to accessing sites that pose no risk to children," said Jim Halpert, a partner at law firm DLA Piper Rudnick Gray Cary, who is the general counsel for the Internet Commerce Coalition.

In a statement earlier this month, a representative of MySpace--now owned by Rupert Murdock's News Corp.--stressed that the company has taken steps this year to assuage concerns among parents and politicians. It has assigned some 100 employees, about one-third of its work force, to deal with security and customer care, and hired Hemanshu (Hemu) Nigam, a former Justice Department prosecutor, as its chief security officer.
In other news:

DOPA has changed since an earlier version dated May 9. The version approved by the House (click here for PDF) does not define "chat rooms" and gives more leeway to the FCC in devising a category of verboten Web sites.

Both versions apply only to schools and libraries that accept federal funding, which the American Library Association estimates covers at least two-thirds of libraries. By slapping additional regulations on "e-rate" federal funding, DOPA effectively expands an earlier law called the Children's Internet Protection Act, which requires libraries to filter sexually explicit material and which the Supreme Court upheld as constitutional in 2003.

Opponents of DOPA said during the debate that it was rushed through the political process--it was, they said, rewritten on Wednesday night and had not even been approved by a congressional committee.

"So now we are on the floor with a piece of legislation poorly thought out, with an abundance of surprises, which carries with it that curious smell of partisanship and panic, but which is not going to address the problems," said Rep. John Dingell, a Michigan Democrat. "This is a piece of legislation which is going to be notorious for its ineffectiveness and, of course, for its political benefits to some of the members hereabout."

Post July 28th, 2006, 2:46 pm

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well done Mr Bush, who are you going to speak to now thats on the same IQ level as you.
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Post July 28th, 2006, 3:14 pm
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This is only at schools right? still... this is love gay...

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Post July 28th, 2006, 3:49 pm

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When will they learn that censorship never accomplishes anything except being a major source of anoyance and abuse of power. foolish politicians

Post July 28th, 2006, 4:37 pm

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LOL our school dosn't care everyone knows how to unblock sites...

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Chatrooms here I come!

Post July 28th, 2006, 5:03 pm
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this isn't censorship..
"Both versions apply only to schools and libraries that accept federal funding, which the American Library Association estimates covers at least two-thirds of libraries. By slapping additional regulations on "e-rate" federal funding, DOPA effectively expands an earlier law called the Children's Internet Protection Act, which requires libraries to filter sexually explicit material and which the Supreme Court upheld as constitutional in 2003."
you wanna socialze on a computer? buy your own.. let people who need it for work or school use the public ones...

Post July 28th, 2006, 5:16 pm

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^ Amen!

Honestly, I see no point in MySpace. I've got one, but it really doesn't do anything for the internet. No services, no shopping, no real information.

Post July 28th, 2006, 5:55 pm
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No, this is good for schools, airports, public areas, ect. But for your OWN computers at your OWN home, it's rediculous.

But this is only for public computers right? Because you know that would really be creeping on the grounds of "freedom of speech". But I know for a fact that if this became the law, I would just have my dad sign off on the deal (or whatever, get "permission" from the government"), allowing me to do whatever I want.

Post July 28th, 2006, 6:09 pm

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its for any public area that recieves government funding.

if this were to reach our own personal computers, there would be ONE HELL of a laysuit placed upon the government by millions of people. thank god our somehow elected officials arent that retarded. though this whole thing really doesnt make since since they did it for "Children" and to "protect" them. honestly, how many kids meet sexual predators at school during study hall???

Post July 28th, 2006, 6:12 pm
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kinda reminds me of that BoC song. ThE PROFECY HAS COME TRUU!!!!!11

Post July 28th, 2006, 6:29 pm

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It seems like a lot of people think politicians come from heaven or some un-sinning world.

I think we all forget, they come from people just like YOU and me. They just happen to be good speakers.

Post July 28th, 2006, 6:31 pm
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lol silly! what are you talking about? politicians are from hell. everyone knows that!

Post July 28th, 2006, 7:38 pm

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my school has already banned myspace. But when the bill gets passed, how the schools going to ban reletivly small sites like the coaster chat sites? I'm not really mad because I hate myspace and those sites but I don't think a site like amazon.com is a "social networking" site.

Post July 28th, 2006, 8:09 pm
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sorry, but if you're at school the computers there should only be used for school.. the taxpayers in your state did not buy them so you could use them for anything but school. wait til you get home....

Post July 28th, 2006, 8:14 pm
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Originally posted by gazag

well done Mr Bush, who are you going to speak to now thats on the same IQ level as you.

Not every political law is passed by GWB.[;)]
But seriously, I do see this really effecting me since all the schools I know of have myspace blocked anyways. They also have forums blocked from time to time. But thier reasoning is really stupid. They say that it has allowed sexual predators to get into people's homes. Well whose freaking fault is that? I get plenty of random people adding me onto thier myspace each day, but it doesn't mean just I add them. And even if I did, it doesn't mean that I give out my personal information to that person. The fact is, its not the governments responsibility. Its those kids. And if something happens to them, its thier own fault for not listening to thier parents.

Post July 29th, 2006, 12:13 am

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The foundational thought process is to protect children from sexual predators. Really guys, instead of reading one story at a time, take a look at the entire spectrum of things being published in the past year or so. Here is just one example and yes, GWB did sign this into law:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/27/ ... index.html

Originally posted by jayman

sorry, but if you're at school the computers there should only be used for school.. the taxpayers in your state did not buy them so you could use them for anything but school. wait til you get home....
Well said and commented. Personally, I think computers should be removed from schools except for possibly a couple in the library, and they should not only be in a public place, but have software like www.besafe.com installed on them. (This is the same software I use on my kids computer.) Just because you are using it while sitting in your school, it is not your computer.

Edit: Rather than find ways around things, accept the rules of the school and stop trying to get around them. If it wasn't for idiots seeking ways to break the law when they were 15, perhaps they would not grow up to be sexual predators.
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Post July 29th, 2006, 12:41 pm

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