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Post January 31st, 2008, 2:00 pm

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Sounds great to me. And why should it do anything other than go fast, its supposed to be like a race track?! Race tracks dont really DO top hats or anything.... lol. Sounds like it'll be like an insane version of Test Track in a weird way.... I'm looking forward to seeing more of this. S&S after all are one of the most interesting companies, im quite excited to see what happens [:D]

Post January 31st, 2008, 3:06 pm
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Originally posted by coasterking1993


i agree... eventually if they keep trying to push the limits, the track/supports will just fail from the force and everything will come crashing down... [launch][shocked][xx(]

I actually don't think that's an issue. The structural integrity of any ride can be secured and made safe with the proper pre-planning. There are a few issues that might start coming up, though...

1. Cost. Faster coasters cost a lot more money, and eventually we will reach a point where building the world's fastest coaster is just not economically feasible, even for the biggest parks, because the attention it will grab won't last long enough to offset the enormous cost. We're getting into the $30+ million range already, and if it keeps going, it'll be in the 50's. But, I guess if Nagashima SpaLand spent $55 million, it's still technically possible. But still, in this post tech-bubble world where corporations are all in budget-crunch mode rather than the prosperity mode of the 90's, building a coaster like that is a HUGE risk, quite potentially putting the park's very existence into jeopardy.

2. Excitement/Originality. It's getting to a point that if you have such a fast coaster, you can't do anything with it. Fast coasters require bigger elements, and therefore more space and more money. This means that in order to achieve economic feasibility, it pretty much can't be anything else but fast. That's a big detractor, since once another park beats it, nobody cares about the coaster anymore because it's a one-trick pony.

3. Rideability. As coasters get taller and taller, and faster and faster, the crowd that wants to ride it is thinning out. We're getting to a point where most of the GP is saying "no way I'm riding that." Smaller coasters, however, are rides that the whole family will gladly get on, and even if they are much more intense, they are less intimidating. So building a smaller coaster that makes the awards lists, like, let's say "The Raven", is a much better long-term investment than a record-breaker because it appeals to more people, and can garner additional ridership in the future if it's good enough.

4. The coaster war is over. In the 90's, everyone had to have the biggest and fastest coaster of its type... but most of the records that were standing at the end of the year 2000 are still standing today. Alpengiest is still the biggest inverted coaster, Riddler's Revenge is still the biggest stand-up, Son of Beast is still the biggest woodie, Steel Dragon 2000 is still the biggest hypercoaster, and Millennium Force is still the world's only Intamin giga-coaster despite its tremendous success. This indicates that parks are less interested in breaking records nowadays, and more interested in the quality of their rides. And since to build a record-breaker for speed, you're pretty much confined to building a one-trick pony, when instead you could build a coaster that can become an adrenaline-machine that people will love, and want to come to your park to ride it for years to come, for only half the cost, why would you?

These are the reasons why it'll slow waaaay down in the future.

Perhaps Ron Toomer said it best, though, in a 1994 interview.
"If you'd asked me about this some fifteen years ago, I would have said 'well, we're getting close to the limit here.' We'd gone 125 feet, which at that time was the biggest one in the world. And I said 'Well, we're not gonna get much higher.' Well, we are. We're way higher now. We're over 200 feet. And by now I think there's no limit. I think the only limit is what people will get on."

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woah thats an awesome pic... and as for what dirk erman said... i never knew they could do that [dunno] but... what happens if they made a mistake in calculations? [shocked] [xx(]

Post January 31st, 2008, 6:20 pm
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A some kind of layout, but i doubt it's 100% accurate:
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Original size: http://www.nuerburgring.de/fileadmin/20 ... nde_OG.jpg

Also, there isn't going to be a top hat or something like that. There is an height restriction of 20m (66ft). So maybe a small long camelback.

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Originally posted by Dirk_Ermen

http://www.parkscout.de/artikel/neues_fahrgeschaeft_am_nuerburgring_ist_weltpremiere

The world's fastest coaster will be built at the Nurburgerring in Germany. In 2009 the coaster will open to the public. The length of the track will be 1200 meters (3937 feet). The launch will be from 0 to 217km/h (134.8mph) in just 2.5 seconds! Which means the acceleration will be 2.46g

The builder of the ride will be S&S Power and the launch will be on airpressure.


I can't wait! World fastest coaster on 2,5 hours drive for me [pshades]

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Wow. Good heavens! I sure would like to ride on this speeding baby myself since I rode on Kinda Ka but that's going to break Kinda Ka's record!

Post January 31st, 2008, 8:55 pm

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Originally posted by coasterking1993

woah thats an awesome pic... and as for what dirk erman said... i never knew they could do that [dunno] but... what happens if they made a mistake in calculations? [shocked] [xx(]


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Post January 31st, 2008, 9:20 pm
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Originally posted by coasterking1993

woah thats an awesome pic... and as for what dirk erman said... i never knew they could do that [dunno] but... what happens if they made a mistake in calculations? [shocked] [xx(]


It's not done by hand with a calculator like you probably calculate 2+2 [lol]

Post January 31st, 2008, 10:11 pm
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im still confused..
i guess "rollercoaster enthusiast" isn't the same thing as "rollercoaster connoisseur"
in my opinion this ride shows no promise in offering what a real rollercoaster ought to provide..
56 miles an hour at the bottom of ghost rider's first drop seems alot faster (and scarier) than 100 miles an hour during superman the escape's launch..
however it doe3s look like a fun ride.. i aint knockin' it as that...

Post February 1st, 2008, 3:03 am
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I think the launch acceleration is going to be the biggest adrenaline rush. 2,5g! What is the fastest acceleration of a launch anyway? I though 2,7g on dodonpa?

Post February 1st, 2008, 3:26 am

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Originally posted by Dirk_Ermen

Originally posted by coasterking1993

woah thats an awesome pic... and as for what dirk erman said... i never knew they could do that [dunno] but... what happens if they made a mistake in calculations? [shocked] [xx(]


It's not done by hand with a calculator like you probably calculate 2+2 [lol]


well obviously they dont... [sillyme] [stupid]

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Originally posted by coasterking1993

woah thats an awesome pic... and as for what dirk erman said... i never knew they could do that [dunno] but... what happens if they made a mistake in calculations? [shocked] [xx(]


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REALLY?! DUH... [approve]

Post February 2nd, 2008, 10:10 am

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Originally posted by gouldy

ADD to that the fact that there is only a handful of English parks that are allowed to build to anywhere near that height and you'll see that a ride of kingda ka or top thrills type, will just never see light of day in this country.


Wellll Fantasy Island in Skegness have no height restrictions. Really pisses me off actually thinking that they paid 28,000,000 for an SLC when they could have bought just about anything they wanted. They could have bought Millenium Force for chuff's sake. AND MORE.
There was a rumour that a S+S Air was going to Fantasy Island jpecool was telling me. So maybe there is still a chance.
Although Gouldy without any restrictions, Alton Towers wouldnt be half as good as it is now, i mean i miss ThunderLooper but thats in no comparison with Nemmy.

Post February 4th, 2008, 3:45 pm

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Well doesnt Storm Runner at Hershey Park already have a top hat and more inversions like that??
and it is true...
to me this wouldnt be considered a rollercoaster more like a thril ride..
just because it has tracks doesnt mean its a rollercoaster..

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Well doesnt Storm Runner at Hershey Park already have a top hat and more inversions like that??
and it is true...
to me this wouldnt be considered a rollercoaster more like a thril ride..
just because it has tracks doesnt mean its a rollercoaster..

Post April 10th, 2008, 10:20 pm

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Looks like this is to be named Racecoaster

http://www.rcdb.com/id4161.htm
1-Millennium Force | 2-Intimidator 305 | 3-Fury 325
4-Skyrush | 5-Iron Rattler | 6-X2 | 7-Kingda Ka
8-Voyage | 9-Maverick | 10-Monster

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Post April 10th, 2008, 10:53 pm

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Originally posted by GerstlCrazy

Looks like this is to be named Racecoaster

http://www.rcdb.com/id4161.htm



haha, how creative. :]

Post April 10th, 2008, 11:16 pm
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have any animations been made yet???


by that i mean videos...
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Post April 11th, 2008, 1:58 am
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have any animations been made yet???


by that i mean videos...


If they were made and we knew about them... We would have posted them already... Don't you think? Just have patience [:)]
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Post July 16th, 2008, 9:16 pm

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first there was top thrill drasgter,and then kingda ka,and now this.i dont get it how fast can they keep on getting,180mph,200mph,220mph.i think b&m should make there own top hat speeding monster,that would be nice,. but unlikily.[:)]
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Post July 16th, 2008, 9:51 pm

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Originally posted by coasterboy23

i think b&m should make there own top hat speeding monster,that would be nice,. but unlikily.[:)]

You're kidding, right?

B&M doesn't make the fast coasters because they know that they can make far more superior coasters and stay at a reasonable speed. TTD and KK aren't good coasters.


Edit: Speaking of ring?????????racer,
http://www.rcdb.com/ig4161.htm?picture=1
X2 ??? Intimidator 305 ??? Millennium Force ??? Iron Rattler ??? El Toro ??? Fury 325 ??? Maverick ??? Skyrush ??? Twisted Timbers ??? Voyage
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want i was trying to say was,they could start something new and,and design there own peeding coaster,just to try it out.[devilish]
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Originally posted by coasterboy23

i think b&m should make there own top hat speeding monster,that would be nice,. but unlikily.[:)]


Yea. Thats not gonna happen. Though it would be cool to see how B&M would do something like that. I dont think they like launched coasters and only built Hulk that way because of something in the contract. But, thats why we got NL right?

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