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My view: I'm siding with the couple on this one. As much as I love amusement parks, I'm all for the concept of "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal." Though I myself am heterosexual, after my failures of getting a girlfriend myself, and all the pain that I went through, I never wanted anyone to endure unnecessary pain in a relationship, no matter who or how many they love. As long as the LGBT's keep their relationships private for the most part, as society expects of most people, and as long as I'm not hit on, I'm fine with it. (Don't call me a hypocrite on this; I'm a *MEGA* pro LGBT rights person. But since I'm not attracted to men, it would simply be uncomfortable to be hit on by them.)
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August 9th, 2011, 9:31 pm
This.
The point I was getting at is that their case was unnecessarily public for being 3 years after the event happened. I can just imagine how they reacted back when the incident occurred. It was kept rather civil. They were pretty irritated. They raised their voices a few times because of the embarrassing and disrespectful slur on the picture. They were angry, but only at the people that did it. Of course these last few sentences are pure conjecture, but it'd make sense that that's what happened. It probably differed a bit, but that'd be the general idea. It seems that most cases and lawsuits that are filed a long time after the incident are just an effort to skew their information hard enough to put the system on their side.
Their attorney, Wendy Musell, is making it sound like they were running out of the park bawling while everyone pointed and laughed.
But that just didn't happen. And opinions, including mine, can't be solidified unless we know what the slur was. It may have been next to harmless and they're trying create a lawsuit out of nothing, or it could have been crude in which case it would probably be a pretty legitimate case.
You're a stupid person.
**Noted for future reference.**
It would be great if people like you didn't contribute to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth
At my undergrad someone I know killed themselves because they couldn't deal with a pray away the gay camp their parents sent him to, and the campus church group blocked them publishing a newspaper article on it because it was "offensive" even though they're the reason he killed himself. As a result of this I have no tolerance for churchy derp, and will not go to church unless someone has died or is getting married under any circumstances.
Good to know that they're "gaining sympathy" is what you do when you're embroiled in a major civil rights issue that once again like the other time is because of a bible passage.
Civil rights is a big issue and hate speech should not be tolerated.
Additionally, do you really think that someone wakes up, and then they go "I think it would be great to be oppressed and unable to have children while society in general frowns upon me. That seems like a great idea".
Perhaps these employees have some issues to attend to:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
Empathy. Get some.
You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?
The reason why it took three years for any legal action was because the park was at first cooperative with the complaint, but later started ignoring the two men's e-mails, which is the basis of the lawsuit.
As for the park action in general, this is the park's fault for failing to train its employees how to respect all park guests, and although it isn't the park's fault directly for the highly offensive photo, it is the park's fault for failing to properly address the complaint.
Ckmwm this is the first time I actually agree with you, its disgusting the way mankind treats mankind.
The WORST type of homophobes are the homophobic parents who disown their children because their orientation is different from them. I also hate parents who force their children into Ex-Gay ministries that attempt to "straighten" them by constantly bashing them for who they are, forcing them to marry women and to hate who they are. There has been cases of LGBT (I refuse to call them "queer" even though the term is "politically correct") youth putting the blade to their wrist because they can't embrace who they are. And the parents have to think to themselves, "do I want a gay child or a dead child" and for those who want a dead child, you don't even DESERVE to have children.
So cut your hair you complete idiot. Sorted......no more bullying. Now change your sexuality? Not so easy is it. "Lifestyle choice" is not the phrase to be using here. You make it sound as though it could be easily changed, and even go as far as comparing it to hairstyles. My god you are ignorant.
Now let me tell you a story - I grew up in a small village in the north east of England, and i came out 6 years ago, when i was 15 at secondary school. It was HARD. I was okay with myself once i got my head round it, and i came out really early, cause i personally couldn't deal with it being a secret, as it makes you get very introverted...... Within days i was banned from going in one of my best friends houses - not even to use the toilet, and his dad told me he'd rather live next to a paedo. Now THAT was embarrassing. Words hurt. Slurs like this hurt. When you're at your weakest, and you've worried about coming out for a year or two, been through denial, finally understood it yourself, you get a little bit more comfortable and you finally pluck up the courage after years of being very introverted and isolated to tell people, this is the cherry on the cake. I imagine thats exactly how this couple felt - its public humiliation.
Now i don't believe in this American culture where everyone sues everyone - its too much of a money orientated thing, and this shouldn't be about the money. Its about the morality behind it. The employees were WRONG - flat out. Thats like printing an onride photo of a black guy and putting a caption saying N****. I don't think many people would stand for that. Its exactly the same. And the park did nothing about it, they could have avoided this trouble, but they chose not too. So the couple have every right in taking it further. Again, i don't believe in suing, but if the couple tried to do this more respectfully to the park, and the park ignored them, them f*** the park, they need a kick in to the real world. At the end of the day they are supposed to provide pleasure and entertainment for their guests. Not make them feel embarrassed and ashamed of who they are.
Not all gay people believe they were born gay, either. It's a tough subject, lots of Queer Theorists are on the fence about it.
You can also maybe change you phrasing. As opposed to saying it's a mental defect/mental illness (something screwy with the brain), you can say it's just different brain chemistry. Some people are more attracted to some colors, some sounds, some tastes and smells, and others aren't.
There was an man named Chauncey who did tests on homosexuals back in late 19th early 20th century and tried to see if homosexuality was passed on through a gene or if there was any correlation to mental stability with the homosexuals and their families mental health. He did use the term degenerate when referring to homosexuals (this was in the late 1800's early 1900's), but found no correlation to homosexuality and mental illness. On top of that, it was removed from the list of mental illnesses quite some time ago. Be careful with your wording. It's NOT a mental illness nor are gay people degenerates of any sorts.
Sexuality does not correlate AT ALL with intelligence/mental stability.
Then how come many closeted gay men do marry women,have sex with them and bear children?
And has never had anything to do with that unless you happen to be a stupid bigot. You're not off the hook. Go to church less and you'll be a nicer person.
"A common distinction sometimes made in science is between theories and hypotheses, with the former being considered as satisfactorily tested or proven and the latter used to denote conjectures or proposed descriptions or models which have not yet been tested or proven to the same standard."
That isn't a theory, it's political/religious banter lying to you and/or horrific word usage. Whenever someone casually says "I have a theory" and then spouts some BS, they have a hypothesis, not a theory. Examples of theories include: Evolution (deal with it), gravity, and relativity. You should also go to church less so you'll be a nicer person.
The only thing anyone has ever produced slight results (they're barely above shrugging your shoulder's and going "okay" if you understand statistics, and the media doesn't) is having lots of siblings the same sex as you or a hormone deficiency in the womb (which is later made up for during puberty).
I don't go to church. I don't need the promise of heaven to give me a reason to be a good person.
I'm 100% cool with the LGBT community, even though what I said at first totally conflicts that idea. I won't stop someone from being happy. That's my mentality.
What I said on my first post WAS a general rant on bogus lawsuits, and since I had assumed this was one of them, I ranted in this topic.
But why did I bash on gays so much? To be honest, I'm not sure. After reading it a few days later after posting it, I have no idea what the hell kind of mood I was in to say something like that.
HOWEVER, when I said that people need to stop suing over hurt feelings, I had no idea of the slur that was used. Now that I do, the park deserved most of the charges against them given the fact that they failed to correspond with the couple and deal with the situation in a timely manner. It's their fault, and most of what they're in now was avoidable with actions they could have taken 3 years ago.
Gay couple sues CGA over a racist with them in it
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fix the link....
American Eagle Lover
Here's the link.
http://news.yahoo.com/2-men-sue-calif-a ... 06533.html
After reading it, this topic title may be a bit inaccurate.
I don't think there's anyone to side with. Obviously, the park had no business doing what they did.
But let's get real here. These guys are complaining over hurt feelings. Everybody takes criticism over lifestyle choices. Hell, I sometimes get told my hair looks girly because it's longer than than about 80% of guys, but I'm not gonna freakin sue them for saying it.
If you're embarrassed about your lifestyle choice, then maybe you should rethink that lifestyle choice. Come on, they're suing for invasion of privacy? If I get my picture snapped and it shows up on the screen, can I sue them? No, because it seems that gays are always trying to cash in on the fact that they're gay and gain sympathy. They should be treated as equals and not think they can be protected from a few mean words here and there.
They should deal with the employees that did it. It's their fault and nobody else's. If you can't stand the ridicule, don't make your situation as public as possible ESPECIALLY 3 years after it happened. "Pain and suffering" my ass.
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http://news.yahoo.com/2-men-sue-calif-a ... 06533.html
After reading it, this topic title may be a bit inaccurate.
I don't think there's anyone to side with. Obviously, the park had no business doing what they did.
But let's get real here. These guys are complaining over hurt feelings. Everybody takes criticism over lifestyle choices. Hell, I sometimes get told my hair looks girly because it's longer than than about 80% of guys, but I'm not gonna freakin sue them for saying it.
If you're embarrassed about your lifestyle choice, then maybe you should rethink that lifestyle choice. Come on, they're suing for invasion of privacy? If I get my picture snapped and it shows up on the screen, can I sue them? No, because it seems that gays are always trying to cash in on the fact that they're gay and gain sympathy. They should be treated as equals and not think they can be protected from a few mean words here and there.
They should deal with the employees that did it. It's their fault and nobody else's. If you can't stand the ridicule, don't make your situation as public as possible ESPECIALLY 3 years after it happened. "Pain and suffering" my ass.
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I think we need an actual gay person to put in his two cents here, which would be where I come in lol.
Personally, I think actions COULD HAVE been taken a lot sooner than 2 years AFTER the incident happened. Whether the employees were properly trained or not, it takes common decency to know that what they did was wrong. It doesn't state what was actually written onto their picture, but it doesn't take a dumbass to know that it might hurt someone's feelings and maybe even cause even bigger consequences for the employees.
Now yes, I do agree that all relationship matters should be kept in privacy. I know I damn well hate when I go down to the pool and I see that one couple in the corner of the pool making out and all cuddly and kissy. Go somewhere with that crap. I don't mind holding hands or even hugging, but get a room for the rest of that stuff. Everyone's entitled to the way they feel and whether they like guys or girls. Everyone gets picked on, it's a fact of life, but yes, I DO hate the words rainbow loving person and dyke. It's waaaay to overrated. I don't see us using terms for straight people, why do we need terms for gay and lesbians?
Back on topic, do I think they're in the wrong for finally taking action? Yes, it should've taken place the second it all happened, not 2 years later.
Personally, I think actions COULD HAVE been taken a lot sooner than 2 years AFTER the incident happened. Whether the employees were properly trained or not, it takes common decency to know that what they did was wrong. It doesn't state what was actually written onto their picture, but it doesn't take a dumbass to know that it might hurt someone's feelings and maybe even cause even bigger consequences for the employees.
Now yes, I do agree that all relationship matters should be kept in privacy. I know I damn well hate when I go down to the pool and I see that one couple in the corner of the pool making out and all cuddly and kissy. Go somewhere with that crap. I don't mind holding hands or even hugging, but get a room for the rest of that stuff. Everyone's entitled to the way they feel and whether they like guys or girls. Everyone gets picked on, it's a fact of life, but yes, I DO hate the words rainbow loving person and dyke. It's waaaay to overrated. I don't see us using terms for straight people, why do we need terms for gay and lesbians?
Back on topic, do I think they're in the wrong for finally taking action? Yes, it should've taken place the second it all happened, not 2 years later.
Originally posted by DXMemberJackDX
Now yes, I do agree that all relationship matters should be kept in privacy. I know I damn well hate when I go down to the pool and I see that one couple in the corner of the pool making out and all cuddly and kissy. Go somewhere with that crap. I don't mind holding hands or even hugging, but get a room for the rest of that stuff. Everyone's entitled to the way they feel and whether they like guys or girls. Everyone gets picked on, it's a fact of life, but yes, I DO hate the words rainbow loving person and dyke. It's waaaay to overrated. I don't see us using terms for straight people, why do we need terms for gay and lesbians?
Now yes, I do agree that all relationship matters should be kept in privacy. I know I damn well hate when I go down to the pool and I see that one couple in the corner of the pool making out and all cuddly and kissy. Go somewhere with that crap. I don't mind holding hands or even hugging, but get a room for the rest of that stuff. Everyone's entitled to the way they feel and whether they like guys or girls. Everyone gets picked on, it's a fact of life, but yes, I DO hate the words rainbow loving person and dyke. It's waaaay to overrated. I don't see us using terms for straight people, why do we need terms for gay and lesbians?
This.
i am on the couples side with this one, i would have done the same thing if i was them. what the park did was wrong and the couple has every right to sue the park over sexual harassment. if i went to a park with my bf and found a picture of me with a sexually wrong slur on it, i would sue the company responsible for hiring the person who did it.
and i do find it wrong for this to even have happen from the park, it is a shame that they hire people who are bashful and think its ok to discriminant against gay people because they think its wrong when its not.
and i do find it wrong for this to even have happen from the park, it is a shame that they hire people who are bashful and think its ok to discriminant against gay people because they think its wrong when its not.
Not understanding why racism has anything to do with this.
Can you boys read? It said the only reason the lawsuit was procured so delayed was because the park failed to continue communicating with the couple. Clearly, at first the couple had been taking this up with the amusement park company long before considering legal action. The absence of communication later on prompted the lawsuit- almost word for word from the article.
Legal action is not always an instant or immediately advisable route to take in situations like this. It's called developing your case.
Back on topic, do I think they're in the wrong for finally taking action? Yes, it should've taken place the second it all happened, not 2 years later.
ESPECIALLY 3 years after it happened. "Pain and suffering" my ass.
Can you boys read? It said the only reason the lawsuit was procured so delayed was because the park failed to continue communicating with the couple. Clearly, at first the couple had been taking this up with the amusement park company long before considering legal action. The absence of communication later on prompted the lawsuit- almost word for word from the article.
Legal action is not always an instant or immediately advisable route to take in situations like this. It's called developing your case.
Now understand the only reason this is EXTREMELY out of line is that this is a bay area theme park home of San Francisco the city of pride... IMO some can be too flamboyant and overboard, but it is no right for someone to destroy a moment of happiness on a ride with someone they wanted to be with.
In the end not only the ride memory was ruined, but the whole days experience was destroyed and turned into another moment where someone decided to inject negative hate into your life when you where finally positively happy.
Sucks for CGA, but what can you do when someone decide to employ idiots?
edit: also I hope it wasn't some ploy to get money by faking the incident, but who knows?
In the end not only the ride memory was ruined, but the whole days experience was destroyed and turned into another moment where someone decided to inject negative hate into your life when you where finally positively happy.
Sucks for CGA, but what can you do when someone decide to employ idiots?
edit: also I hope it wasn't some ploy to get money by faking the incident, but who knows?
Go chuff yourself and have a nice day! 
Originally posted by GerstlCrazy
Can you boys read? It said the only reason the lawsuit was procured so delayed was because the park failed to continue communicating with the couple. Clearly, at first the couple had been taking this up with the amusement park company long before considering legal action. The absence of communication later on prompted the lawsuit- almost word for word from the article.
Can you boys read? It said the only reason the lawsuit was procured so delayed was because the park failed to continue communicating with the couple. Clearly, at first the couple had been taking this up with the amusement park company long before considering legal action. The absence of communication later on prompted the lawsuit- almost word for word from the article.
The point I was getting at is that their case was unnecessarily public for being 3 years after the event happened. I can just imagine how they reacted back when the incident occurred. It was kept rather civil. They were pretty irritated. They raised their voices a few times because of the embarrassing and disrespectful slur on the picture. They were angry, but only at the people that did it. Of course these last few sentences are pure conjecture, but it'd make sense that that's what happened. It probably differed a bit, but that'd be the general idea. It seems that most cases and lawsuits that are filed a long time after the incident are just an effort to skew their information hard enough to put the system on their side.
Their attorney, Wendy Musell, is making it sound like they were running out of the park bawling while everyone pointed and laughed.
But that just didn't happen. And opinions, including mine, can't be solidified unless we know what the slur was. It may have been next to harmless and they're trying create a lawsuit out of nothing, or it could have been crude in which case it would probably be a pretty legitimate case.
I'm siding with the couple. I'm sorry, but in my book homophobia is unnaceptable, and nothing more than irrational hate.
http://www.thrillnetwork.com/content/me ... hoto-2789/
Found the comment; it was a thought bubble appearing over their heads in the photo saying "Were (sic) Fags!" Yes, the grammatical errors seem to be legitimate.
Found the comment; it was a thought bubble appearing over their heads in the photo saying "Were (sic) Fags!" Yes, the grammatical errors seem to be legitimate.
Alright. Calling them fags might would probably make a legitimate case. I'd assumed it was a "slur" that the couple was just trying to cash in on, but "fags" is ridiculous.
Originally posted by NoLimitzki
Everybody takes criticism over lifestyle choices.
Everybody takes criticism over lifestyle choices.
You're a stupid person.
**Noted for future reference.**
Originally posted by NoLimitzki
No, because it seems that gays are always trying to cash in on the fact that they're gay and gain sympathy. They should be treated as equals and not think they can be protected from a few mean words here and there.
No, because it seems that gays are always trying to cash in on the fact that they're gay and gain sympathy. They should be treated as equals and not think they can be protected from a few mean words here and there.
It would be great if people like you didn't contribute to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth
At my undergrad someone I know killed themselves because they couldn't deal with a pray away the gay camp their parents sent him to, and the campus church group blocked them publishing a newspaper article on it because it was "offensive" even though they're the reason he killed himself. As a result of this I have no tolerance for churchy derp, and will not go to church unless someone has died or is getting married under any circumstances.
Good to know that they're "gaining sympathy" is what you do when you're embroiled in a major civil rights issue that once again like the other time is because of a bible passage.
Civil rights is a big issue and hate speech should not be tolerated.
Additionally, do you really think that someone wakes up, and then they go "I think it would be great to be oppressed and unable to have children while society in general frowns upon me. That seems like a great idea".
Perhaps these employees have some issues to attend to:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
Empathy. Get some.
"Careful man, there's a beverage here!"
Originally posted by NoLimitzki
Here's the link.
http://news.yahoo.com/2-men-sue-calif-a ... 06533.html
After reading it, this topic title may be a bit inaccurate.
I don't think there's anyone to side with. Obviously, the park had no business doing what they did.
But let's get real here. These guys are complaining over hurt feelings. Everybody takes criticism over lifestyle choices. Hell, I sometimes get told my hair looks girly because it's longer than than about 80% of guys, but I'm not gonna freakin sue them for saying it.
If you're embarrassed about your lifestyle choice, then maybe you should rethink that lifestyle choice. Come on, they're suing for invasion of privacy? If I get my picture snapped and it shows up on the screen, can I sue them? No, because it seems that gays are always trying to cash in on the fact that they're gay and gain sympathy. They should be treated as equals and not think they can be protected from a few mean words here and there.
They should deal with the employees that did it. It's their fault and nobody else's. If you can't stand the ridicule, don't make your situation as public as possible ESPECIALLY 3 years after it happened. "Pain and suffering" my ass.
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Here's the link.
http://news.yahoo.com/2-men-sue-calif-a ... 06533.html
After reading it, this topic title may be a bit inaccurate.
I don't think there's anyone to side with. Obviously, the park had no business doing what they did.
But let's get real here. These guys are complaining over hurt feelings. Everybody takes criticism over lifestyle choices. Hell, I sometimes get told my hair looks girly because it's longer than than about 80% of guys, but I'm not gonna freakin sue them for saying it.
If you're embarrassed about your lifestyle choice, then maybe you should rethink that lifestyle choice. Come on, they're suing for invasion of privacy? If I get my picture snapped and it shows up on the screen, can I sue them? No, because it seems that gays are always trying to cash in on the fact that they're gay and gain sympathy. They should be treated as equals and not think they can be protected from a few mean words here and there.
They should deal with the employees that did it. It's their fault and nobody else's. If you can't stand the ridicule, don't make your situation as public as possible ESPECIALLY 3 years after it happened. "Pain and suffering" my ass.
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You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?
The reason why it took three years for any legal action was because the park was at first cooperative with the complaint, but later started ignoring the two men's e-mails, which is the basis of the lawsuit.
As for the park action in general, this is the park's fault for failing to train its employees how to respect all park guests, and although it isn't the park's fault directly for the highly offensive photo, it is the park's fault for failing to properly address the complaint.
Oh, were you expecting something here?
Originally posted by Coasterkidmwm
You're a stupid person.
**Noted for future reference.**
It would be great if people like you didn't contribute to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth
At my undergrad someone I know killed themselves because they couldn't deal with a pray away the gay camp their parents sent him to, and the campus church group blocked them publishing a newspaper article on it because it was "offensive" even though they're the reason he killed himself. As a result of this I have no tolerance for churchy derp, and will not go to church unless someone has died or is getting married under any circumstances.
Good to know that they're "gaining sympathy" is what you do when you're embroiled in a major civil rights issue that once again like the other time is because of a bible passage.
Civil rights is a big issue and hate speech should not be tolerated.
Additionally, do you really think that someone wakes up, and then they go "I think it would be great to be oppressed and unable to have children while society in general frowns upon me. That seems like a great idea".
Perhaps these employees have some issues to attend to:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
Empathy. Get some.
Originally posted by NoLimitzki
Everybody takes criticism over lifestyle choices.
Everybody takes criticism over lifestyle choices.
You're a stupid person.
**Noted for future reference.**
Originally posted by NoLimitzki
No, because it seems that gays are always trying to cash in on the fact that they're gay and gain sympathy. They should be treated as equals and not think they can be protected from a few mean words here and there.
No, because it seems that gays are always trying to cash in on the fact that they're gay and gain sympathy. They should be treated as equals and not think they can be protected from a few mean words here and there.
It would be great if people like you didn't contribute to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth
At my undergrad someone I know killed themselves because they couldn't deal with a pray away the gay camp their parents sent him to, and the campus church group blocked them publishing a newspaper article on it because it was "offensive" even though they're the reason he killed himself. As a result of this I have no tolerance for churchy derp, and will not go to church unless someone has died or is getting married under any circumstances.
Good to know that they're "gaining sympathy" is what you do when you're embroiled in a major civil rights issue that once again like the other time is because of a bible passage.
Civil rights is a big issue and hate speech should not be tolerated.
Additionally, do you really think that someone wakes up, and then they go "I think it would be great to be oppressed and unable to have children while society in general frowns upon me. That seems like a great idea".
Perhaps these employees have some issues to attend to:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
Empathy. Get some.
Ckmwm this is the first time I actually agree with you, its disgusting the way mankind treats mankind.
The WORST type of homophobes are the homophobic parents who disown their children because their orientation is different from them. I also hate parents who force their children into Ex-Gay ministries that attempt to "straighten" them by constantly bashing them for who they are, forcing them to marry women and to hate who they are. There has been cases of LGBT (I refuse to call them "queer" even though the term is "politically correct") youth putting the blade to their wrist because they can't embrace who they are. And the parents have to think to themselves, "do I want a gay child or a dead child" and for those who want a dead child, you don't even DESERVE to have children.
Everybody takes criticism over lifestyle choices. Hell, I sometimes get told my hair looks girly because it's longer than than about 80% of guys, but I'm not gonna freakin sue them for saying it.
So cut your hair you complete idiot. Sorted......no more bullying. Now change your sexuality? Not so easy is it. "Lifestyle choice" is not the phrase to be using here. You make it sound as though it could be easily changed, and even go as far as comparing it to hairstyles. My god you are ignorant.
Now let me tell you a story - I grew up in a small village in the north east of England, and i came out 6 years ago, when i was 15 at secondary school. It was HARD. I was okay with myself once i got my head round it, and i came out really early, cause i personally couldn't deal with it being a secret, as it makes you get very introverted...... Within days i was banned from going in one of my best friends houses - not even to use the toilet, and his dad told me he'd rather live next to a paedo. Now THAT was embarrassing. Words hurt. Slurs like this hurt. When you're at your weakest, and you've worried about coming out for a year or two, been through denial, finally understood it yourself, you get a little bit more comfortable and you finally pluck up the courage after years of being very introverted and isolated to tell people, this is the cherry on the cake. I imagine thats exactly how this couple felt - its public humiliation.
Now i don't believe in this American culture where everyone sues everyone - its too much of a money orientated thing, and this shouldn't be about the money. Its about the morality behind it. The employees were WRONG - flat out. Thats like printing an onride photo of a black guy and putting a caption saying N****. I don't think many people would stand for that. Its exactly the same. And the park did nothing about it, they could have avoided this trouble, but they chose not too. So the couple have every right in taking it further. Again, i don't believe in suing, but if the couple tried to do this more respectfully to the park, and the park ignored them, them f*** the park, they need a kick in to the real world. At the end of the day they are supposed to provide pleasure and entertainment for their guests. Not make them feel embarrassed and ashamed of who they are.
Obviously my first response was poorly worded. It just seems that all the time nowadays people are suing over the dumbest stuff by using loopholes in the legal system to gain a few bucks. Any American here knows what I'm talking about. With the current string of some of the DUMBEST lawsuits I had ever seen, I had assumed this was one of them, and that the slur was nothing worth a whole lawsuit over. I think that they sued for a count of "invasion of privacy" really bothered me because everyone gets their picture taken and displayed, so it made me wonder how many other bogus charges that had nothing to do with the slur were involved.
However, being called a fag (one of if not the worst slur) should have been taken care of by the park immediately and since they didn't, I think most of the charges were coming to them.
Most of what I said at first was under the assumption that said slur was harmless and the plaintiff was trying to make a few extra dollars. If money and attorneys hadn't been involved (even though we'd be discussing the same incident), my first post would have been drastically different because you don't have someone involved who twists words because it's their job. It's just the fact that it was a lawsuit that got under my skin (but it WAS necessary).
But after seeing the legitimacy of the case now, the park got themselves in some unnecessarily deep sh*t.
I apologize for my first post. It was more of a general rant on the bogus lawsuits filed today, but adjusted to fit the subject (which wasn't a good idea, because it's regarding civil rights, and not something stupid like spilling coffee on yourself at McDonalds).
However, being called a fag (one of if not the worst slur) should have been taken care of by the park immediately and since they didn't, I think most of the charges were coming to them.
Most of what I said at first was under the assumption that said slur was harmless and the plaintiff was trying to make a few extra dollars. If money and attorneys hadn't been involved (even though we'd be discussing the same incident), my first post would have been drastically different because you don't have someone involved who twists words because it's their job. It's just the fact that it was a lawsuit that got under my skin (but it WAS necessary).
But after seeing the legitimacy of the case now, the park got themselves in some unnecessarily deep sh*t.
I apologize for my first post. It was more of a general rant on the bogus lawsuits filed today, but adjusted to fit the subject (which wasn't a good idea, because it's regarding civil rights, and not something stupid like spilling coffee on yourself at McDonalds).
About the homosexuality "life choice" thing, it is NOT a choice. IT is actually more along the lines of a mental defect. Not insulting anyone but I'm just stating a fact. If a homosexual were to try to have a relationship with the opposite sex, it would be impossible for them. Just stating that it is not a choice and something screwy going on with the human brain. Just my two cents. I am not anti gay, thought I grew up in a household were gay bulling is encouraged. It was a difficult thing to unlearn.
A man has needs and that needs is booze.
Originally posted by bandman232
About the homosexuality "life choice" thing, it is NOT a choice. IT is actually more along the lines of a mental defect. Not insulting anyone but I'm just stating a fact. If a homosexual were to try to have a relationship with the opposite sex, it would be impossible for them. Just stating that it is not a choice and something screwy going on with the human brain. Just my two cents. I am not anti gay, thought I grew up in a household were gay bulling is encouraged. It was a difficult thing to unlearn.
About the homosexuality "life choice" thing, it is NOT a choice. IT is actually more along the lines of a mental defect. Not insulting anyone but I'm just stating a fact. If a homosexual were to try to have a relationship with the opposite sex, it would be impossible for them. Just stating that it is not a choice and something screwy going on with the human brain. Just my two cents. I am not anti gay, thought I grew up in a household were gay bulling is encouraged. It was a difficult thing to unlearn.
Not all gay people believe they were born gay, either. It's a tough subject, lots of Queer Theorists are on the fence about it.
You can also maybe change you phrasing. As opposed to saying it's a mental defect/mental illness (something screwy with the brain), you can say it's just different brain chemistry. Some people are more attracted to some colors, some sounds, some tastes and smells, and others aren't.
There was an man named Chauncey who did tests on homosexuals back in late 19th early 20th century and tried to see if homosexuality was passed on through a gene or if there was any correlation to mental stability with the homosexuals and their families mental health. He did use the term degenerate when referring to homosexuals (this was in the late 1800's early 1900's), but found no correlation to homosexuality and mental illness. On top of that, it was removed from the list of mental illnesses quite some time ago. Be careful with your wording. It's NOT a mental illness nor are gay people degenerates of any sorts.
Sexuality does not correlate AT ALL with intelligence/mental stability.
How is that a mental defect? I can see that you still pertain some of your nurtured anti-gay thinking.
Oh, were you expecting something here?
Regarding my previous comment, it was a theory. Should have mentioned that. I did some reading and psychiatrist believe it's a combination of multiple factors, for example, hormone levels, and social encounters during early years of life. However, with out sufficient data, it can not proven or disproved.
And rcking, please refrain from from insults when I was merely thinking aloud. I am not anti gay in any way, shape, or form, just curious as to how it happens.
And rcking, please refrain from from insults when I was merely thinking aloud. I am not anti gay in any way, shape, or form, just curious as to how it happens.
A man has needs and that needs is booze.
You called it a mental defect, which implies a mental problem. You linked homosexuality to a mental problem. This is most likely a cause from your family's view of homosexuality as being such. So, I'm glad you're anti-gay, but just know that there is zero mental defection with homosexuality.
Oh, were you expecting something here?
Originally posted by bandman232
If a homosexual were to try to have a relationship with the opposite sex, it would be impossible for them.
If a homosexual were to try to have a relationship with the opposite sex, it would be impossible for them.
Then how come many closeted gay men do marry women,have sex with them and bear children?
Originally posted by NoLimitzki
Obviously my first response was poorly worded. It just seems that all the time nowadays people are suing over the dumbest stuff by using loopholes in the legal system to gain a few bucks.
Obviously my first response was poorly worded. It just seems that all the time nowadays people are suing over the dumbest stuff by using loopholes in the legal system to gain a few bucks.
And has never had anything to do with that unless you happen to be a stupid bigot. You're not off the hook. Go to church less and you'll be a nicer person.
Originally posted by bandman232
Regarding my previous comment, it was a theory. Should have mentioned that. I did some reading and psychiatrist believe it's a combination of multiple factors, for example, hormone levels, and social encounters during early years of life. However, with out sufficient data, it can not proven or disproved.
Regarding my previous comment, it was a theory. Should have mentioned that. I did some reading and psychiatrist believe it's a combination of multiple factors, for example, hormone levels, and social encounters during early years of life. However, with out sufficient data, it can not proven or disproved.
"A common distinction sometimes made in science is between theories and hypotheses, with the former being considered as satisfactorily tested or proven and the latter used to denote conjectures or proposed descriptions or models which have not yet been tested or proven to the same standard."
That isn't a theory, it's political/religious banter lying to you and/or horrific word usage. Whenever someone casually says "I have a theory" and then spouts some BS, they have a hypothesis, not a theory. Examples of theories include: Evolution (deal with it), gravity, and relativity. You should also go to church less so you'll be a nicer person.
The only thing anyone has ever produced slight results (they're barely above shrugging your shoulder's and going "okay" if you understand statistics, and the media doesn't) is having lots of siblings the same sex as you or a hormone deficiency in the womb (which is later made up for during puberty).
"Careful man, there's a beverage here!"
Originally posted by Coasterkidmwm
Go to church less and you'll be a nicer person.
Go to church less and you'll be a nicer person.
I don't go to church. I don't need the promise of heaven to give me a reason to be a good person.
I'm 100% cool with the LGBT community, even though what I said at first totally conflicts that idea. I won't stop someone from being happy. That's my mentality.
What I said on my first post WAS a general rant on bogus lawsuits, and since I had assumed this was one of them, I ranted in this topic.
But why did I bash on gays so much? To be honest, I'm not sure. After reading it a few days later after posting it, I have no idea what the hell kind of mood I was in to say something like that.
HOWEVER, when I said that people need to stop suing over hurt feelings, I had no idea of the slur that was used. Now that I do, the park deserved most of the charges against them given the fact that they failed to correspond with the couple and deal with the situation in a timely manner. It's their fault, and most of what they're in now was avoidable with actions they could have taken 3 years ago.
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