Hades 360 at Mount Olympus - Now Upside Down!

"The World?????????s First completely upside down roll on an all wooden coaster"

Outlaw run is already like halfway made with the rolls already done. All the other claims are hades old claims.... Hell I was expecting a whole new coaster. Seriously what a rip-off. I hope they don't **** the ride like Spielberg ****ed Indie...

That being said this could also turn out really well.

Outlaw Run isn't wooden, sooo Mount Olympus still gets the title.

Outlaw run uses topper track so its not completely wood where hades will use the same method of tracking as all other wooden coasters, which is how they can make that claim. The other claims however are purely for marketing like how six flags advertised the Bizzaro's as whole new coasters.

What? Outlaw run is 100% a wood coaster. Wood track, metal rails, steel wheels.

this is going to be debated forever, but I believe its also 2 different kind of metal used between the 2. I am probably wrong but the metal on a traditional woodie looks to me as something like extra strong tin or aluminium, something the can be bent to shape on site rather than pre-made.

I say it isn't wooden only because of all the aid of extra layers of steel on the track and the steel clamps. True wooden coasters only have that thin strip of metal on the top of complete wooden track.

[hyyyper]

Originally posted by Jakizle

What? Outlaw run is 100% a wood coaster. Wood track, metal rails, steel wheels.

Outlaw run has not just metail rails, almost the whole top portion of the track is metal (fill with concrete), which rests multiple layers of wood.

Other coaster have the entire track made out of wood, with metal rails to allow for the wheels to run over it. At Outlaw run, the steel also has a structural function. This (from my point of view) make Outlaw run a hybrid and Hades a woodie.

Yeah I have a really hard time being able to technically call Outlaw Run a wooden roller coaster. It's a hybrid for sure, but on different, more subtle levels as hyyyper described. The track system is so much more metal-reliant than a normal wooden roller coaster that I don't really consider it one.

[jayman]

Originally posted by man

I hope they don't **** the ride like Spielberg ****ed Indie...

too late. did you miss the part where they said it's going to go upside down.?. get in the fridge, we're going for a ride ..

Have you guys been on a coaster with topper track? It still rides exactly like a wooden coaster. It just feels new always.

The point is that the steel has a structual function, if this were a "100% wood coaster" it would have the traditional steel strip on top of many layers of wood, and with only that Outlaw Run wouldn't be possible.

Now I want to ask this, have you been on a coaster with topper track?

[jayman]

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[Turbo]

^HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Not sure which side to take, but Jay made a valid argument with boarding the fridge.

I guess when it really comes down to it, Hades is hybrid because of steel supports, therefore outlaw run is hybrid for using steel track. By definition hybrid means a combination, is topper track not a combination?

Originally posted by Jakizle

Have you guys been on a coaster with topper track?

Originally posted by A.S.C.
Now I want to ask this, have you been on a coaster with topper track?

Tremors at Silverwood. While the ride only has segments of topper, the ride feels exactly like a woodie in those sections, albeit just after it opened for the first time or after a good retracking. Still has that rattle to it, the side to side, ect.

I've been on 3 coasters with topper track. They ride exactly like wooden coasters. It's only 2 layers of wood replace by steel, it's not that much. The track shape is still determined by the craftsmanship of the wood, etc and the trains are exactly the same...

Originally posted by Jakizle

I've been on 3 coasters with topper track. They ride exactly like wooden coasters. It's only 2 layers of wood replace by steel, it's not that much. The track shape is still determined by the craftsmanship of the wood, etc and the trains are exactly the same...

EXACTLY.

The track isn't 100% steel, it's majority wood, and the topper track is only a "mold" or a "form" so to speak for the concrete inside. Anyone want to call RMC's Topper woodies Concrete Coaster's with wooden supports instead? Yeah, thought not.

I'd love to see what the SFMM fanboys would like to say if enthusiasts started branding Colossus a steel hybrid considering that too has (in sections at least) SFMM's own in-house version of the topper track which pre-dates RMC's version. I'm sure we wouldn't be calling it a steel hybrid, so whats the difference with RMC's topper track coasters?

Getting back to Hades, I'm glad that Grav Group came up with a creative fix for that valley spot, and rather just reprofile and shorten that hill (which looks to be a meh spot anyhow), they go and throw in a inversion of their own, which should add some great excitement to an already solid wooden experience. Lets just hope that those Timberliners don't cause any problems, delays and setbacks with the reopening.

again, to settle the argument, hybrid, not wood, not steel, but hybrid

^^The point is that all of Outlaw Run is topper track, through none of the layout does it run on a wooden track. Coloussus has sections of track that are topper? Good for it, but most of the ride is still wooden track, which is why it's called a wooden coaster. So because Outlaw Run is entirely topper track, it would technically be steel or just hybrid.

Colossus, Psyclone, and I think Texas Cyclone was reversed from what Topper Track is. They used I beams for the lower layers topped with wood.

^American Eagle does that too... from the first drop, to the top of the helix, only the top 2 boards are wood. I probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference if I didn't know that.

Originally posted by A.S.C.

^^The point is that all of Outlaw Run is topper track, through none of the layout does it run on a wooden track. Coloussus has sections of track that are topper? Good for it, but most of the ride is still wooden track, which is why it's called a wooden coaster. So because Outlaw Run is entirely topper track, it would technically be steel or just hybrid.

There is no wooden coaster in the world where it "runs" on wooden track. Seriously guys?

Outlaw Run and anything with topper track is a wooden coaster.

Why did they decide to ruin the coaster? It's an inversion, who cares?

Much as I don't care, I'd argue against that point Jake...I think "topper track" coasters are more hybrid than wood coasters with steel supports.

Consider these points:

*The most generally accepted ideas is the important part of the ride when categorizing is the track itself.

*New topper track coasters (looking at Outlaw Run) use 6 layers of wood in their track.

*Topper track coasters use a rectangular section of steel on top of the wood.

*Steel coasters generally use tubular track, but nothing says a steel rail must be round...there are other styles, like say the I beam shaped Thrust Air coaster rails.

*So, 1/4 of the track is effectively the same as a steel coaster.

*Yes there's some kind of mix inside the rails, but there may be a mix inside rails of B&M coasters in areas with noise restrictions (not sure the exact location of this mix, whether it fills the rails, spine, or even supports...feel free to correct me there). Yet, nobody calls these B&Ms by the material that fills the track.

*So anyways, the word "hybrid" does not have a limit as to how much or little of either material makes up a track section, other than to say if it's say 6-8 layers of wood and a flat steel strip then it's a wooden coaster. Therefore, I'd say topper track would most accurately be called a hybrid coaster. For all the arguments about say Colossus, I think it would suffice to say it's a wooden coaster with hybrid sections.

But with all that said, classifications are completely pointless IMO...what matters is the ride experience.

Anddd that's just my opinion, take it or leave it...don't care enough to write more given how insignificant I think it is lol

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