Hades 360 at Mount Olympus - Now Upside Down!

But with all that said, classifications are completely pointless IMO...what matters is the ride experience.

That's the point we're getting to. Why don't we just follow music and call this a post-wood coaster, and then when someone builds a traditional wood coaster it can be first wave wood-core revival.

Or not. Just ride stuff and not care about such things.

If steel coasters can have different shapes of steel, who says the wooden coaster can't have different shapes of steel on top of the wood. It's a never ending cycle!!!!!!

It's clearly a plastic roller coaster. The buttons in operator's panel are plastic...

I'm going for steel in this case, hybrid at best. Why? Simple. On a wooden coaster you need to many layers of wood to give the ride the feeling it has. It need to be there for the strenght and the way the track behaves. Take out two layers and most of the ride would change since wood has the ability to actually move and bend, it's flexible.

Now, when we look to outlaw run we see wood used for a whole different reason, to support the track on it's leders and give the thing some extra strenght on places where there is no ledger. However, changing this wood barely changes the ride, for the main running rail isn't flexible at all. It's steel filled with concrete, so it is not going anywhere. The wood has no other purpose than supporting the track, where on wooden coasters the only reasons the strips are there is to not tear the track apart. A mayor difference imho.

^ He makes some good points.

Originally posted by Jakizle
Have you guys been on a coaster with topper track? It still rides exactly like a wooden coaster. It just feels new always.

El Toro rides like a steel coaster, so it must be steel.

Wood track, metal rails, steel wheels.

There is no wooden coaster in the world where it "runs" on wooden track. Seriously guys?

It's only 2 layers of wood replace by steel, it's not that much. The track shape is still determined by the craftsmanship of the wood, etc and the trains are exactly the same...

So your argument here is that there is still wood in the track? Last time I checked there are mine trains that have wooden track ties, so now we'll classify them as wooden?



What it comes down to, for me, is if the wood is used only as support, or if it is used to hold the train in place. What I mean by that is that you can take the steel off of the topper track and you could still comfortably rest the track on the track without using wood. Then the wood comes in as support along with the ledgers and the rest of the supports. Whereas traditional tracking, you couldn't run it on just the steel plating, the wood is really needed.

If it rides like a woodie, I call it a wooden. If it rides like a steel (including prefabs), I call it a steel.

Because that's just how they ride.

And if topper track really does feel like a wooden coaster, I may just have to call them woodies.

But in the end who cares.

This ride will now go upside down!!!

[Coasterkidmwm]

Originally posted by AJClarke0912
But in the end who cares.

The kind of people who ruin a computer game with complex math

[Dirk_Ermen]

Originally posted by Coasterkidmwm

Originally posted by AJClarke0912
But in the end who cares.

The kind of people who ruin a computer game with complex math

[worship]

I am surprised my point opened up such a huge debate.... Of course the unique style is in making a roll while not adding in standard freestanding separate steel supports holding a track with a spine and instead maintaining one giant support structure under the whole track.....

In that sense outlaw run not only made the first one, but made the first one with two rolls. It may run on steel, but there is wood under it that is shaped into the roll as well as the other track that holds the steel the wheels run on to say the least. Over time of course it will probably hold better and not get that classic wooden feel where the coaster rattles and shakes so hard you feel your going to fly off, but is that really what these kind of rides are about? Hell obviously with Hades people did not seem to find the rattling quality to be the best and instead the fast paced intense track layout is what is enjoyed. Hell just look at what they did to the Texas giant and look at how people reacted.

If you get my point great if not whatever... I was just trying to say it seems like quite some bullpoop tactic to say "new coaster" by renaming a coaster and adding an element onto it while hopefully fixing up the kinks that have developed over time... Maybe if they spent less money advertising the ride they could put more money into maintaining it. Jus' saying

Edit: I like CK comment too

Edit 2: I also could not give 2 ****s more about whether or not it is wooden or steel, but rather the building style that is used to make a inverted or non-inverted coaster.

Originally posted by Coasterkidmwm

Originally posted by AJClarke0912
But in the end who cares.

The kind of people who ruin a computer game with complex math

1g - 1g = 0g

too hard

[Blade]

IMHO if a wooden track is using steel rails then it would be a steel coaster. If using wooden rails with a steel covering then it would be a hybrid steel/wooden coaster.

This is pretty awesome.


And is the site active again? Let's hope so!

This is a great way to sully one of the best coasters in the world. I miss the PTC trains as well.

Well, time for my 2 cents. I'm not going to try to categorize these different track design one way or the other. Always follow the "money trail." What are businesses in business for? To make money. Saving money is also the same as making money. Building a track that's strong, with a steel box on top, means less maintenance and saves money. Bingo! Steel track on Texas Giant saves money because there's less maintenance. That's why most parks now build all steel coasters because they require less maintenance and it saves them money. Here's the reason why there is Topper Track ... it saves money. Now will an all wood track perform a loop without the help of an added steel box? Yes, if there's enough layers of wood in the track. The Outlaw Run has only six layers of wood. It needs the extra "top" box of steel to make it strong enough to support the weight of the train and passengers. There's no way 6 layers of wood are going to support a fully loaded train. Here's my point. Companies are going to the trouble of designing all these new types of track in order to provide the owners of these coaster a better track with less maintenance and SAVE MONEY. The smooth ride is just an extra unintended benefit.

Pretty sure the smooth ride is one of the primary improvements they wanted to achieve. Nobody will ride your maintenance free coaster if it shakes them to death...

Also note the advertising for Iron Rattler...one of the main statements is how smooth it will be.

every time I see this pop up, I expect to see and update or something.

According to the official facebook page, Hades 360 opens TOMORROW!!!

Best wooden coaster ever made? That thing is Flying without the pace killer hill there. Looks gci smooth too..

full POV:

Originally posted by Kyle Sloane

Best wooden coaster ever made? That thing is Flying without the pace killer hill there. Looks gci smooth too..

Yeah, but there's still a pace killer at 1:37 in the full POV. According to a POV before the renovation, it was a little faster there.

could be because the trains aren't broken in yet too...

I don't think creeping over one hill is a pace killer... to me it adds to it because it gives a little suspense right before a large drop. I don't it's bad at all.