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Post April 18th, 2007, 10:12 am

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The effects that [CENSORED WORD] make you feel are very addictive. Hows that?

Pyschological addictions are IMO worse than chemical.

A better question is: If legalized, how does the situation improve?

Post April 18th, 2007, 11:12 am

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Real said it. Why do people KEEP doing it if its not addictive?
If it was legalised, situations would not improve at all.

Post April 18th, 2007, 11:48 am

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Originally posted by hyyyper
no, it is still illegal to grow [CENSORED WORD], but it's not illegal to sell it. it's a bit strange, but if you regulate it, there will be some company's just like the beer and sigarettes companys who will take the market lead and buy their weed from farmers that grow them

it is not completly illegal to grow your own [CENSORED WORD] you can only have 5 plants per person.
and there are already 2 goverment controlled companys who grow medical [CENSORED WORD] they have to report al the chemcials they use and how many they produce. and they test the THC concentration in the weed.

Post April 18th, 2007, 12:57 pm

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Originally posted by RRollergod

I am still waiting for Canadamos to figure out what to say after my comments on page 3.


Chicago is a cesspool of crime, so that isolated case is hardly a good example to represent an entire nation.

Originally posted by CalawayPark
I can't stand it when smokers look offended if I cough or something after they blow it into my face. They act like I'm disrespecting THEM. Look in the mirror! [CENSORED WORD] is unpleasant, VERY unpleasant for the people that don't smoke it.


I completely agree with you. Anyone who blows smoke or smokes around someone who doesn't in a public place is a rude asshole. Sometimes you just happen to find a few rotten apples in the group.

I respect every ones choice not to smoke, which is why I never smoke in public. I always keep it behind closed doors in my own house. That way I know no one has any excuse to complain about it. The only time I ever smoke in public is when I go camping. And even then I will hike miles into the bush where the only thing getting affected by the smoke are some trees and squirrels. Maybe Bigfoot.

Originally posted by english coaster guy
Its a fxcking drug that makes you happy.


What is wrong with being happy? Obviously I'm expecting a "Its wrong if people need a drug to be happy" answer.

Originally posted by english coaster guy
Go dislocate your shoulder and LEGALLY get a few hits of morphine or something. Weed is a brain draining substance. Its pointless and not cool for those who think it is.


Wait. It seems like you are against [CENSORED WORD] and would like to keep it illegal, yet you suggest that someone should purposely dislocate their shoulder in order to get morphine (a much stronger drug than [CENSORED WORD]..)??

And if someone is smoking because they think it is 'cool', they probably shouldn't be.

this means to get high the next day you should smoke more than you did the night before to surpass normal. This is the direct result of people getting used to the drug and will then struggle to get high again or worst of all on a normal level again.


Huh? People choose to smoke more, they do not need to. I have been smoking for almost 8 years and I still smoke the same amount as I did 6 years ago. I know people who have been smoking for more than 25 years and have to smoke less now to get the same high.

Originally posted by Real
The effects that [CENSORED WORD] make you feel are very addictive. Hows that?


That is true, but why is there a need to ban it? People get addicted to McDonald's, food, computers, jobs, girlfriends (wow, how many people have killed because they were 'addicted' to someone they couldn't get), roller coasters, photography and the list could go on forever. Why aren't half of those things banned as well?

Originally posted by Real
Pyschological addictions are IMO worse than chemical.


Wow, I do have to completely disagree with you. A psychological addiction is in no way as abusive as a physical addiction. A physical addiction will literally bring you to your knees with agony. A psychological addiction will make you feel like you want something, but it won't make you not sleep for weeks, make you vomit for months etc.

I have a brother in-law who is addicted to heroine and goddamn, everytime he is forced to get clean (jail..), he is bed ridden for days! If you want to see the effects of a physical addiction, watch the movie "Requiem for a Dream", the ending to be specific. [xx(]

Originally posted by Real
A better question is: If legalized, how does the situation improve?


Many points have already been made, like E-mans posts and Kevin's on the front page.

Post April 18th, 2007, 4:10 pm

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Want links: There is a shiz load of them that all says exactly the same thing!!!

http://www.helpguide.org/mental/drug_su ... atment.htm

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/[CENSORED WORD].html

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthin ... ealth.aspx

http://home.iprimus.com.au/rboon/ADDandMarijuana.htm

http://www.idmu.co.uk/canstressdepres.htm

Oh and about the alignment thing I was talking about. It is caused by the serotonin transporters sending out too much or too little of the stuff to the receptors. And the term used is Tolerance.

http://www.nimr.mrc.ac.uk/MillHillEssays/2002/drugs.htm

Also I didn't even talk about the dangers of dopamine but if you want answers read these links.

Post April 18th, 2007, 4:31 pm

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i went through all of the pages and read every responce and I think that there are two very strong oppositions. I have smoked it before, showing that it is still there whether or not its legal. I would not have a problem with it as long as it is regulated. I also see how you could lose respect for someone who does or whatnot. I guess in a way i have mixed feelings about it but I think that alcohol and cigarettes pose a worse problem than weed does. I never woke up the next morning without any memory of the night before like a someone who drank a lot would and i mean you still have self control while high as oppose to drinking. I deff dont think its addicting at all, so i guess people just go to it repeatedly because of the different experience of the high. A negative thing that i could see happening if it was used publicly is that the smoke might hang around the shops and wherever so people passing would get a buzz from breathing the same air. However, if your really trying to focus on academics, not a good idea to mix the two... kind of like that LSD and hot dogs thread...

Post April 18th, 2007, 4:32 pm

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Canadmos...Morphine does no damage to your body whatsoever, and it just happens ive had it, after dislocating my shoulder, the morphine had no after affect at all.
People smoke to be cool(Y). It happens over here all the time. Personally i cant think of anything more un-attractive in a lady either.

Post April 18th, 2007, 4:34 pm

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^Anti-drug websites are like anything else that is against something.
They take one case and use it to their advantage to make whatever they're against seem way worse than it is.

Post April 18th, 2007, 4:35 pm

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And agrguement's for legalising are biased to make is seem way more safe than it is. Invalid statement Hepta.

Post April 18th, 2007, 4:37 pm

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Originally posted by Hepta

^Anti-drug websites are like anything else that is against something.
They take one case and use it to their advantage to make whatever they're against seem way worse than it is.


off topic, but are you from Virginia with all that BG in your sig and avatar

Post April 18th, 2007, 4:55 pm

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Has anyone noticed all these statments for leagalizing [CENSORED WORD] are coming from people that have said they have smoked the stuff? Dj-dj found govermental links that show [CENSORED WORD] is physcologically addictive. Therefore, are you people that are saying "legalizing weed will be great" arn't just saying this just because you say so, or is it the dope talking? Right now all people doing so are just saying what they want to say to drag more people to smoke that crap, or to just get this thread to 20+ pages. Moreover, does any of these 'smokers' have facts to back up your words? I do not think so.

Post April 18th, 2007, 5:18 pm

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^The government has a little ace up their sleeve called progaganda.

I've seen countless "Anti-Drug" reports at school and all of them show how deteriorating [CENSORED WORD] is. However, I've asked and all those "brain damage" and "lung cancer" pictures they show usually involve a lot more drugs than just [CENSORED WORD].

And if you want an honest-to-society list of the effects, by all means, please visit here: http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/c ... l#problems

Or watch this nice video:
http://tinyurl.com/2j85zo

Post April 18th, 2007, 5:25 pm

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RRollergod, what are you talking about? How is anyone in this thread trying to get other people to smoke it? I even said the high can be addicting, but why do you have such a need to ban it (serious question)? Also no one is saying to legalize it and let everyone go crazy on it. There obviously needs to be regulation.

Originally posted by english coaster guy

Canadmos...Morphine does no damage to your body whatsoever, and it just happens ive had it, after dislocating my shoulder, the morphine had no after affect at all.
People smoke to be cool(Y). It happens over here all the time. Personally i cant think of anything more un-attractive in a lady either.



Morphine is HIGHLY addictive....

Post April 18th, 2007, 5:35 pm

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Originally posted by english coaster guy

Canadmos...Morphine does no damage to your body whatsoever, and it just happens ive had it, after dislocating my shoulder, the morphine had no after affect at all.
People smoke to be cool(Y). It happens over here all the time. Personally i cant think of anything more un-attractive in a lady either.



What?! Morphine is highly addicting! And people also smoke cigarettes because of the effects. Not every smoker out there is trying to be cool.

Originally posted by english coaster guy

Real said it. Why do people KEEP doing it if its not addictive?
If it was legalised, situations would not improve at all.



Why do people KEEP doing anything if it's not addictive? And if it was legalized, the situation would improve a lot. Sure, it would be popular for a while, but once it settles in, people won't be going crazy for it.

Originally posted by dj-dj

So far I have seen some strong enough arguments from the do it side and just have to let you guys know the next couple of things.

Unlike cigarettes, [CENSORED WORD] causes your heart rate to increase, memory loss, loss of coordination and distorted perception. This might seem like the same effects as in alcohol but unlike that [CENSORED WORD] is very addictive, can cause anxiety, panic, paranoia attacks, damage to the respiratory, reproductive and immune systems and psychological independency.


Alcohol is addicting. More addicting the [CENSORED WORD] because alcohol is psychologically and physically addicting. Plus, since DUI is illegal while on alcohol, don't you think it'd be illegal for [CENSORED WORD]? It's not like they'd be throwing the weed out there so you can use it whenever!

Post April 18th, 2007, 5:37 pm

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Canadmos you bring up one point and miss another.

You brought up people killing themselves over addictions to say, girlfriends and such. Thats a psychological/emotional addiction. Physical addictions are nasty - that Ill agree with. But something thats emotional and pyschological destroys parts of you that are nearly 100% irreplaceable or fixable. At least with a physical addiction (aside from what the drug already does to you) the lasting effects are pretty much nil. Obviously smoking is both. But the only lasting effects are from the smoking you already did - not trying to quit.

Your brother in laws situation is obviously bad. But Ill take the vomitting for weeks and such over the lifelong emotional and pyschological destruction ANY day.


What would you rather have...1 week of physical pain or a lifetime of emotional pain? I Think its a pretty easy answer.


BTW, Im obviously expecting the fact that he will suffer some emotional distress from all of this but physical pain only lasts for the moments its there. If he ever totally cleans up itll all be gone. But whats left in his memory will be carried forever.

When some of these drugs really screw you up mentally (not physically) its often worse than the physical side effects.

Post April 18th, 2007, 5:40 pm

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Morphine is not addicting, my mom has taken it for the worst headaches she has had. But never has she been addicted to it. And I feel the reason for banning [CENSORED WORD] is because there is no point to it, nor is it good for you. (I feel the same about McDonalds) I just have a serious hate for drugs I guess. I never did like high people at parties they kindof freak me out.

Post April 18th, 2007, 5:44 pm

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^Morphine is not distributed for headaches. Unless, of course, you're head was split open.

Post April 18th, 2007, 5:46 pm

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Morphine is addicting! It is an opiate (i.e. same line of drugs as heroin), and is extremely addicting. If it wasn't addicting then why did they invent heroin to try and get people (soldiers returning from war) off of morphine?

Post April 18th, 2007, 5:47 pm

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You haven't seen my moms migraines. She has all the symptoms of a flu yet you get a head plitting headache that makes you puke. We tell her to go to the doc but no...

Post April 18th, 2007, 5:53 pm

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Originally posted by RRollergod

Morphine is not addicting,


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@Real, never thought of it that way. Those are some very good points. In the end I guess it is down to the individual. The one thing about individuals with a physical addiction is that they never really are 'clean'. They are forever in a never-ending loop of their body telling them that they need something.



I just really do not understand why there is such hatred towards [CENSORED WORD]. It is also very frustrating when I talk to someone who doesn't even know why they hate it.

Post April 18th, 2007, 6:51 pm

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Well, I personally dislike the idiots that use it regularly more than the drug itself. It's like you can't have a conversation with them without them bringing it up and then if they find out that you don't smoke it, they get almost offended. That's always been my experience. And it's not like I prance around saying that I don't use the stuff, so I'm not being all obnoxious to them. That's probably why I'm against pot in general, because I relate it to the recreational users of it.

Maybe that's why they use it though, so they won't be such a-holes all the time lol.
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Post April 18th, 2007, 7:03 pm

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more ppl die drunk than high so legalize weed... plus it does shiz to you compared to cocain E heroin and acid

Post April 18th, 2007, 7:25 pm

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Originally posted by Cygnus12

Well, I personally dislike the idiots that use it regularly more than the drug itself. It's like you can't have a conversation with them without them bringing it up and then if they find out that you don't smoke it, they get almost offended. That's always been my experience. And it's not like I prance around saying that I don't use the stuff, so I'm not being all obnoxious to them. That's probably why I'm against pot in general, because I relate it to the recreational users of it.

Maybe that's why they use it though, so they won't be such a-holes all the time lol.


I hate people like that too. If there's one reason I'm afraid of drugs it's the fear of being addicted to something, which I know won't happen with smoking pot occasionally, and also why I would never even think of trying any hard drugs (heroine, cocaine etc).

Post April 18th, 2007, 7:30 pm

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I'm completely stuck on this one. However, I think de-criminalizing it would be a better option. Rather than going to jail for smoking weed, they get a ticket, similar to that for speeding.

Still, I'm not quite sure if it's good to legalize it or not.

Post April 18th, 2007, 7:36 pm

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I've reading this thread...UGH!!!

1) I feel "legalizing" [CENSORED WORD] only changes control and accessibility. Whoop-de-do! To a certain extent, marijauna is legal (in some U.S. states) when administered in a research setting and/or used for medicinal purposes; California allows you to grow it for medicinal purposes.

Maybe we'll experience a reduction in petty crimes??

The people who use it now will likely continue and those who don't, won't. Free-will is still at play. Those who want it, already know how to get it.

2) On opioid addiction...another UGH!!! Yes opioids CAN BE addictive when miss-used. There are a multitude of factors that determine whether a person becomes addicted to any medication (e.g., dosage, frequency of use, response, tolerance, predisposition, underlying motives, abuse, etc.) Morphine when properly administered and used, in most cases, DOES NOT lead to addiction; only 2 out of 10,000 patients will develop an addiction!

3) The studies on [CENSORED WORD] addiction/dependence are inconclusive and unreliable because the government limits what you can do and how many people you can do it to. Most studies are statistically insignificant because the studied population is too small. In addition, most of these studies are performed on laboratory animals. Where are the longitudinal studies on [CENSORED WORD] use and addiction in humans? Not! Many of the studies on [CENSORED WORD] use and effects in humans didn't begin until the 1990s!

4) Effect on poverty? HA HA HA Look at what's going on in our communities locally and worldwide regarding poverty...simply pathethic. Legalizing [CENSORED WORD] is going feed hungry children? (I'm reeling in disgust.)

I could go on, but enough for now...I'm being called down for dinner.

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