live 8 !!! around the world now

http://music.aol.com/live_8_concert/live_now all around the world live 8 is on see all of it live in difrent cities

Yeah, i flicked over to see Destinys Crap and therefore turned it straight off. 95% of the bands suck to be honest, the only band i would like to see is Pink Floyd

That's not the attitude now, is it Edge?

I actually watched quite a lot of it over the course of the day, and even though the acts were not really my thing, i enjoyed a lot of it. Pink Floyd were amazing though. So were the Killers, but i wish they'd done more than one song. Oh well.

If what Bob said was true 'Best concert ever' im very ashamhed. Still for a good cause though.

[gouldy]

I sat and watched a lot of it and friggin' hell it was boring but until the football season starts again, I find myself with not much to do on saturdays. Pink Floyd was what I was waiting for, but by about 6PM I just got too bored and turned it off. Still, would have probably been pretty crazy to have been there, I only spotted one Wolves flag [V] thats not enough for me, there was 4 at Glastonbury, with more people, there should have been more Wolves flags at Live 8 .... maybe there should have been 8, that would have been fitting [:)]

I tell you what though, I felt sorry for the people at the back in philly because, you know, theres 1 and a half million people in between you and the stage ...... what were you gonna see?

At least we don't live in Japan, they had to put up with Bjork, eurgh, just no.

Do u think it did any good? will it have chaged anything?
I don't think so, yeah it was for a good cause, but the leaders are polititans, that says it all

I dont. All i saw was the biggest gathering of hypocrites i've seen in a long time. Multi-millionaires playing a concert, for money no doubt, saying 'this is such a good cause,im glad to be playing for those poor africans children who cant afford food and water' Way to belittle them. I could go on, but i find events like this to be a total farce. The events probaly cost millions of $$$ to set up world wide. Money that could have gone directly to Africa, but i guess they didnt really think about that

I can see where you're coming from, but none of the acts, as far as i know were paid anything for their contribution to the day. The idea of the day wasn't money. We could throw money at africa forever, it wouldn't make any difference. With the split between corruption and debt, as well as selfishness on the part of the leaders of the countries aimed at, it would be no more than a pointless endeavour.

The concerts, as i'm sure you know, were to raise awareness and demonstrate public opinion of the entire situation to the eight men that have to make a decision at the G8 summit. over 25 million people signed that list that was continually mentioned, and i think i remember a stat saying that over 2 billion people were watching. Now if that doesn't make a statement i don't know what will. I've been in edinburgh with a lot of people in the little protest, and it's a huge deal.

Personally edge, i think that what you've said is shortsighted and severely uninformed. How many times was it that they said they didn't want money. Ticket money went to hosting the events, and that's it. Also, how were they belittling them. I'm sure that being called a fellow human who deserves the same rights as other humans, particularly western humans who appear to have no idea what the whole poverty thing means, is actually quite a nice thing to experience, or maybe that's just me.

Poverty is more than a starving child in a desert wasteland. Poverty is a lack of simple human amenities. Most people on this site probably don't enjoy school, but they can go, and they can go for free. Most people on this site aren't going to die from a disease that can be cured with a simple drug that we can buy at a pharmacy. All people on this site have a house.

"Of course we do, that's obvious, right?" Yeah, because we take advantage of the things we have. I don't want to start reeling of all the same stuff as the guys yesterday, but it's important to recognise why the whole thing was done.

Call me crazy, but that's my view.

I caught a little of Linkin Park ... then went to the race. However, I do see Edge's point (oddly enough). Sure it is a "good thing", but I would be more interested in meeting with the accountant of this entire thing to actually see the checks being written for food and water. Seems to me that a TON of dough was made on LiveAid years ago ... anyone ever see a statistical report verified of where that money went? Just a thought ...

Again, see above post. That's why they aren't asking for money, it doesn't help.

Carlosio - we pretty much posted at the same moment, so I (obviously) did not read yours prior to responding to Edge.

However, your phrase "to raise public awareness" is pretty ambigious at best. Here is an example of what I am saying. On Sept 12, 2001 we had patriotism all over the place! American flags, yellow ribbons, etc. Um, where are those things now? We are still at war, I have several friends in Iraq, but yet my neighbors have removed their yellow ribbon and hardly fly their flag anymore. So please don't talk to me about raising public awareness for something.

The "american public" likes to jump on the bandwagon when it is convenient and appears to be the next "great thing" or the "latest phase" of our nation -- however, as far as staying power, we are limp. Take a look at China for example. Those people stay focused (of course under penalty of death for not doing so), but their motives are clear and their resolve is unwavering. America is a giant pile of "johnny-come-latelys" who want to be seen supporting the cause, but in reality we are not, and I do not think anyone who has any knowledge about this nation will honestly disagree. Sure, there are pockets of those who are extremely faithful and always support the issues -- but overall on average, again, we fail in comparison to other nations.

And oh yeah, remember the neighbor I talked about removing the yellow ribbon and not flying their flag? I live on an Air Force base (a federal installation) ... how's that for faithfulness to our nation?

Ah, but you see TC, i am british, and we are generally not self involved and sitting on our own island with nothing around us but water and terrorists. No offense, but a lot of america is like that, or seen like that from anywhere other than the states. Now i know for a fact that you aren't like that, but can you account for you're entire nation.

Back on the live 8 topic, "Raising public awareness" is in my opinion not so ambiguos as you claim. There is no intention to force a view or reaction on the public, merely one to announce the situation. Now whether or not that works can only be seen in retrospect, but as i said, 25 million etc. Now if you can't accept that this whole endeavour was not about money, i can't say anything constructive to you. Like i said, i was sitting in edinburgh yesterday, playing music with a group of people i have never met, expressing views that i have had for a while (Being the so-called "greenpeace hippy freak" that i supposedly am) and having a fantastic time doing so. Bob Geldof's point was to ensure that the eight men that are going to sit down on friday to discuss the situation are not doing so purely on the basis of their own personal beliefs, but also on those of over 25 million people who have signed the list, as well as many more who haven't for whatever reason.

Are you telling me that you think it's ok that people in africa are starving, or even that its not ok but there is nothing we can do, because, however unpopular it makes me, i don't. I think it's horrible to think that we can sit down on a multi-million pound, state-of-the-art piece of machinery for a couple of minutes of cheap thrills when there are people in the world who can't even enjoy a glass of water, and not even care when we know it happens. Do i want to give up rollercoasters? No, of course not, and would not having them help at all? No. But what people have to realise is that we are more than priveliged to have been born in Europe or America, when it could just have easily have been Ethiopa or Ghana, where, if we even lived to be old enough, the thrill would come from surviving.

I remember recently, a friend critisised me for wearing the MPH band on my wrist "because it is a fad." It's not a fad, it's a campaign for about a 6th of the human population. So please don't patronise me with you're "i'm older and wiser, i know more than you" bitterness and sceptisism of the issue. I bet you want things to change, i'm not accusing you of not caring. But how do you expect things to change if we don't do anything. Maybe it won't work, maybe we'll have to do the whole thing again and again and again, like trail and error, but at least we can say we are trying.

Dont take this as a personal attack, or indeed any form of attack. I just think that the whole issue as expressed in this topic is unfairly represented and dismissed. I have a lot of respect for you, as a builder of rides and a person able to express his views over this mono-emotional medium we use nowadays. However, in this case, in my opinion, you're wrong, simple as that. Sorry.


(btw, i did know that we posted at the same time, just alerting you)

Carlosio,

It seems that we started out on the same page, and then you decided to go on a rampage. And so with that, I think perhaps it is time to get off of your high horse and pay attention because this is the last time I am going to clarify for your (or anyone else's) benefit.

At no time did I ever attempt to:

"patronise me with you're i'm older and wiser bitterness and sceptisism of the issue"

-- I merely stated a personal fact of how America in general views these issues. So much so, that CNN.com did not even carry the Live 8 story, save a few blurps about it happening. CNN by the way, is based in New York.

Then, you attempt to clear yourself of any wrong doing with:

"Dont take this as a personal attack, or indeed any form of attack. I just think that the whole issue as expressed in this topic is unfairly represented and dismissed. I have a lot of respect for you, as a builder of rides and a person able to express his views over this mono-emotional medium we use nowadays. However, in this case, in my opinion, you're wrong, simple as that. Sorry."

Please, spare me the "self-righteous I am merely pointing this out" bull waste, I am not buying it. Again, I expressed an opinion as I saw it ... and did not need your reply of self-fulfilling spew back at me. However, being British I imagine your view would be different from across a freaking ocean - but perhaps that is too much to get your mind around and recognize that.

I am here, not to mention currently defending my nation by serving in our Armed Forces and have been to Iraq once, Saudi Arabia twice, as well as Uganda and Serbia once each. I have seen with my own eyes what our soldiers are going through, and have grabbed a gun and walked a point more times than you possibly could imagine.

My opinion above came from the "latest fad" of America's involvement in this "Live 8" ... and how I have seen EXACTLY how America jumps on the band wagon at the next great cause to be on the news. Here is a perfect case in point: Seen any Michael Jackson supporters in the news lately? Neither have I.

You Sir, however, decided to try to prove or imply that I was knocking the cause and somehow needed to be "shown the way" by someone from across the pond. I didn't need that, I did not ask for it, so shut that hole in your face when it comes to trying to educate me. I was merely stating a fact about America in general that you decided I needed to be cleared up on, and obviously you chose to not read what I said and go off on some "let's prove TJ wrong" crap ... wrong answer bucko. Wrong answer indeed.

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Carlosio

Blow torch optional ... ROFLM[lol]O @ Edge!!!

Actually TC, i did read your whole post carefully, and in doing so clearly got the wrong idea, and so can retract the "you're wrong" part, and as an extension anything that i targeted personally at you. However, i don't appreciate being referred to as "on my high horse" or that you call me a preacher of any sort. I'm not self righteous, and see no reason for you calling me as such. I at no point wanted to force opinion or demean anyone, no matter how apparently forceful my post was. I was informing and, in response not really to anyone in particular except maybe Edge's post, setting the record straight.

Now, in reference to your serving the forces, i didnt mean to insult you. I have a lot of respect for every one of the men out in iraq and those that have stood out there in the past. I still think that the attitude adopted by many people, of all nationalities, about the whole thing is misinformed and unjustified. Perhaps you disagree, i don't know, but i would just like to clear that up. I'm sorry if i caused offense in reference to your service for your country, which i respect and admire.

You'll have to excuse me for this, but love you. I'm sorry about that, but i will not be told to shut the whole in my face. In retrospect i have realised that i have made a mistake in my interpretation of your post. I will gladly pull back anything you feel is unjustified without question if i have indeed misunderstood. However, if you are allowed to post your opinions and feelings in reference to others, and i don't necessarily mean in this topic (i should point out that a lot of the time, i do agree with you), surely others should be granted the same privelege. In that spirit, by all means protest, but there is no need to be so agressive.

I know you've read posts by me before, and i know i've probably blown whatever small amount of respect you had for me. Hopefully i can regain it. Most of the justification was not in fact to prove you wrong or even aimed at you. The post was a mess of stuff for the uninformed or unsure and my address to you mixed together.

God knows how you're going to respond to this, but i'm not going to sit here and let you...apparently...blow torch my face off.

Have fun slating me in your reply,
Carl

Originally posted by Carlosio

You'll have to excuse me for this, but love you.

No, I don't see that happening.

Originally posted by Carlosio

I'm sorry about that, but i will not be told to shut the whole in my face.

You are not sorry, but nevertheless, I did tell you to do that very thing.

Originally posted by Carlosio

God knows how you're going to respond to this, but i'm not going to sit here and let you...apparently...blow torch my face off.

There is no need for me to say anything more. I meant it when I said:

Originally posted by TConwell

this is the last time I am going to clarify for your (or anyone else's) benefit.

Have a nice day Carl.
Hugs and kisses,
TJ

PS - I ain't mad at ya man and you have lost no respect in my eyes, I was merely defending myself after feeling slated here on the multi-media stage. So, no worries.

[stoning]And Edge, put the popcorn away my brother, fight's over (IMO).

Hehe, me too, but hey, strong feelings + incubus = something of a monster Carl

I am sorry, but i stand by *some* of what i said. I'm also sorry but i don't generally let dudes kiss me. What can i say?

[gouldy]

....yeah so, erm, people in Africa.

Can I just go back to this for a second:

"I merely stated a personal fact of how America in general views these issues. So much so, that CNN.com did not even carry the Live 8 story, save a few blurps about it happening. CNN by the way, is based in New York."

I'm sorry, what? Does your nation care that little about the world around it? America must have been one of the only places you could go to get away from this. This was all beamed live to a possible 5 and a half billion people, a probable 2 billion people .... and the best that CNN did was to acknowledge its existance? Something that about a third of the entire planets population witnessed, just about got mentioned on CNN?

"Oh, in some freak of nature the rest of the world will be destroyed in a very strange asteroid disaster, but America will be unscathed so nevermind, get back to your triple ultra supersized cheeseburger and fires" ... I can imagine that being said by one of America's up themselves TV anchormen, if such an event was ever to arrise. Pretty similar to what the news must have been like 60 odd years ago ... "Well, prettymuch the rest of the world is involved in a war right now, but it doesn't affect us Americans so we'll just sit back and let it happen [:)] .......... WAIT!,[:O] OH MY GOD! Pearl Harbour has just been bombed!! Now it is up to us Americans to go on a one country rampage, then pretend that we won the war for everyone!"

I don't mean to offend anyone here, but seriously is your country THAT up itself? THAT disinterested in what happens to everyone else in the world? The main reason for this whole Live 8 thing infact, is that America won't help with the situation as much as it should, only the rest of the world leaders won't say that for fear of the red button in the middle of Mr. Bush's desk. Can you see why the rest of the world might not like you as a nation? I don't want this to degrade into another argument about America and so on, so I'll stop there ... but I really did just have to say that.

Anyway, back with Live 8 ... Pretty much the whole of it was set up by Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Bob Geldof (with Bob Geldof as the front man, to try and make it look like it was a comletely music oriented thing) as a way to make the other world leaders (George Bush) sit up and take notice and give the aid to Africa that they should be giving. But basically I don't think it will have worked because of the basic theme of the comments I made above about the way America thinks as a nation.

I hope I didn't offend anyone, I just say what I see and along with the rest of the world, thats what I saw.

Right Gouldy ... hence what I was saying on the last page about the views of this nation in general. Thank you for making my point. We have issues mate ... we have issues.

Carl -- Godsmack was/is on here ... (For those wondering, this is what I listen to when I am designing.)

Lol, nothing like angry music, eh, and mine was tame compared to yours.

In fairness, or as much as is possible, it wasn't only aimed at america, but also at a couple of the others.

Also, again slipping slightly of topic, but still G8 stuff, what is your opinion of the CO2 emission reduction and as an extension, good ol' George Dubya's view of it?

Until we stop using gasoline to power our engines, CO2 emission control is a nice thought, but unrealistic to truly change (or decrease) in this world.

Good to know that people realise it is a good thing, no matter how incomprehensible it is.