I accidently wrote "mysterious timberliner" in the No Limits section. You can find it there. These trins remain a mystery and have very stange features like ergo train and seat design and lauch capability-especially for a woodie and made by Gravity Group, Thet have yet to update the site and the illustration so small and mysterious.Anyone have more info and it was at the Orlando IAAPA last fall.I think the trains will restrict airtime due ergo design. These trains might be seen in china-according to Gravity Group website-they are building a GG coaster in china(the illustrated layouts look good).Thanks for reading