Heartlining

What was the first coaster that really used heartlinining. I'm thinking its one of the pipeline coasters (aka Ultra Twisters) but i'm not sure. If someone has more information on heartlining and its movement into coaster designs, I'd like to know. I know what it is though so I don't need someone to explain that.

possibly . . .

I bet a Schwarzkopf coaster had heartlining before the ultra-twisters.

Do you have a specific Shwartzkopf coaster that has it?

Not really

[Kev]

Originally posted by Woodie Man

Do you have a specific Shwartzkopf coaster that has it?

I'm pretty sure that SFOT's Shockwave and SFOG's Mindbender were the first heartlined schwarzkopf coasters.

edit: scroll down a bit on this page: http://schwarzkopf.coaster.net/achterba ... nen-GF.htm

Thats a good resource Kev. Thanks for the info.

Its not a true heartline, its more of a pseudo-prebank-heartline deal. Its not the same heartlining that say, Intamin or B&M use today thanks to updated formulas but Werner Stengel, who did work for Anton before he went solo, was the one who came up with the first formulas to start heartlining.

Heartlining was invented by Harry Traver I believe. The trick track on the Crystal Beach Cyclone was fully heartlined, though I'm having a hard time finding a picture of it right now.

Well, we still have the NL version of the CBC, but I'm not sure if it's hearlined or anything.

I half agree with you IF. I think he was on to the idea of heartlining. I have two pictures in my book where he seems to actually use real heartlining, but I somehow doubt his intentions were the same as they were with the later steel designs.

He seemed to use a mix of pre-banks and this pseudo heartlining much like CCI does - depending upon the speed and radius of the turn.


If I get a chance Ill scan the pictures - however I know the picture you are thinking of and its from the Palisades Cyclone. Another picture of the Crystal Beach shows the entrance to the double helix almsot completely heartlined.

So I guess we can kinda say that Traver was about 30 years ahead of his time?

He was that or more ahead of his time. He did things that no one dared do then and still dont dare do today.

^Like fracture people's ribs?[;)]

He did do many innovative things. He came up with the trick track and made some of the first ultra compact woodies. He paved the way for successful companies today such as GCI. Traver was pretty cool. And you're very luck to have a book on him.

It's too bad that none of his coasters are still operating. But if they were I'm sure they would be popular with all the people here who want to ride the woodies of the old days.

Pretty much Traver was 30 years ahead in design such as his pseudo-heartlining, and still noone has dare build a ride as intense or extravagant as CBC. IMO, his heartlining may have been incidental, i think oerhaos he used the heartlining merely for its visual affect rather ti minimize lats, in fact he may have intended to increase lats overlookng the heartline's affect. CBC was definitely the first ride that featured true heartlining nonetheless. As far as the first ride to feaure modern perfected hartlining, I'd have to agree with Real that Stengel was the first to perfect the art of minimizing lats through the usage of hearlining.

(Kinda off topic)

I remember a few days ago there was a topic about the best woodies. People said that they like Hades for its 90 degree banked turn. Well, I would say that the CBC comes pretty close. If you just look at this picture you can see just how steeply banked those turns were.

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Yeah, its crazy. I bet you would notice that a lot more than Hades' 90 degree bank also... the first time I rode Hades I didn't notice it at all. You either have to ride it from the front seat because you can see it a bit from the light of the tunnel exit, or only be paying close attention to the banking. I don't think it adds anything to the ride, especially in a pitch black tunnel.