El Toro Construction **Now Open**

[hyyyper]

Originally posted by Woodie Man

When I shine a light through my ear it comes out the other ear. Does that give you a good idea of how much I think?

If I would put a coke bottle in your ass would you wee black?

Does that give you a good idea of how much I care?

^No actually it doesn't really. And Coke is brown.

[hyyyper]

Originally posted by Woodie Man

^No actually it doesn't really. And Coke is brown.

my bad, i'm on orange juice

El Toro is advertised as a "SMOOTH" coaster. The only way they can make a smooth riding track is start stacking mucho layers of wood down on those ledgers. Cedar Point's Mean Streak has 11 layers of wood. I haven't ridden Mean Streak so I would like someone who has ridden it to tell us how smooth it is. El Toro, IMHO, will have to have at least 13 layers of wood in the track which will cost mucho $$$$$$. Do you think they will spend the extra dinero to make a 13 layer wood track??? That is the ultimate question. If they don't, you'd better take your aspirin with you when you ride it. By the way, 13 layers of wood would (no pun intended) make the track 19 1/2 inches thick. Keep in mind that no tunnels were mentioned. But the record breaking steep drop should be fantastic.

[coolbeans326]

Intamin uses a prefabbed track that allows a very smooth ride, its very different from Cedar Point's Mean Streak.

I rode the Shooting Star at Coney Island, Cincinnati, Ohio in 1970. The track on the Shooting Star was 18 inches thick. That was the smoothest riding coaster ever built and no other coaster since then has had a track built that thick. And Coney Island advertised it on their post card as "faster and smoother than any you will ever ride".

Howdy Coolbeans326.
How do you make a prefabricated track? Sounds impossible to me.

I know they make prefab supports but the track has to be laid down on the supports one layer at a time so they can get the proper curvature in the total track.

Anywho, time will tell how smooth El Toro will be.
Thanks Woodie Man for pointing out the edit button. I didn't know I could edit my comments.
Let's just hope El Toro turns out to be a great coaster.

^There is something called the edit button. Use it please.

Trackwalker -

The track is not made in layers like real woodies. This is where the debate comes in on how real of a wooden coaster it is.


The rails are manufactured back in a shop where the wood is made and bent (same for rails) in a similar fashion to how steel coasters are made. Because computers do it and not man power, its very VERY accurate. Not to mention the rides are made to have very low laterals, thats where the computer work comes in.


Its not laid down like traditional wooden coasters. Its all made in a factory first.



As for Mean Streak, where did you hear it has 11 layers? Layers have nothing to do with smoothness. All layers do is increase the time it takes before you replace it making it sturdier. It does not increase the smoothness at all and infact I would say making the wood less able to move makes for a rougher ride. Traditional wooden coasters are made of 8 layers of wood. Some have more but very few have less.

^It appears that NL only has 7 layers.

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I wonder if I can add an 8th to that for an enviro

I'm pretty sure traditional wooden coasters do have 7, not 8 layers of wood. I've counted them on several wooden coasters, and each one had 7.

Originally posted by Real

I wonder if I can add an 8th to that for an enviro

It might be an interesting challenge. I'd certainly use your enviro if you'd let me.

Thanks very much REAL for your explanation of how a prefab track is made. I had no idea of this new procedure. Do you know of any wood coasters that have this new track?? I would love to see this new track design.

I counted the layers of wood in the track on the Cedar Point Mean Streak and there were ll layers in the bottom of the dip after the first turnaround. I have a picture to prove it. The Beast at Paramounts Kings Island has 9 layers and the PKI Son of Beast has 8 layers. The Beast may have more layers in the helix, but I'm not sure of that. I know that as the wood track gets older the wood gets weaker and sags more between the ledgers and causes a more bumpy ride. It only stands to reason that if the track has more wood in it, it is going to be stronger, therefore less sag, therefore smoother.

The PKI Racer has 7 layers and most of the older traditional Philadelphia Toboggan Company coasters have 7 layers of wood in the track. The Screechin' Eagle at Le Sourdsville,Ohio (NAD John Miller design) has 8 layers.

^Any of the new Intamin pre-fab woodies.

Have you ridden any of those Intamin pre-fab woodies Woodie Man? If so, what are they like?

I haven't been on any, but from what I've seen of POV's and heard about them, they provide a steel coaster type ride in a woodie.

Interesting. I'll definitely have to see one of these pre-fab coasters.

The technology of coaster building has been progressing so rapidly I feel I have been left behind.

El Toro will be the first pre-fab in the US. If you want to got to Europe or Japan to ride one, go ahead.

That trip is way over my budget. Guess I'll have to skip that and settle for EL TORO.

There are no Intamin prefab woodies in Japan. The only two are in Europe in Germany and Sweden;
http://rcdb.com/installationresult.htm? ... &model=191

jease FN knows where to get everything

Originally posted by Real
The rails are manufactured back in a shop where the wood is made and bent (same for rails) in a similar fashion to how steel coasters are made. Because computers do it and not man power, its very VERY accurate.

Yes, that's *almost* correct. In fact the rails are made of wood bonds, these are pre-bent during bonding already, but the final shape is *cut* out of these by numerical controled tools. Thus track shape can be maintained down to tenths of millimeters plus the lifespan (of keeping just this exact shape) is vastly prolonged.

FYI, the according Stengel patent: http://tinyurl.com/nhuy

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