Rating Suggestion

Just thought I'd throw an idea out there for weekly awards. Would it be possible to not allow those people who have uploaded a coaster during the weekly competition to rate other coasters that week? Lately I've been noticing that people rate other rides lower simply because that ride has either moved ahead of them or is approaching their coaster's rating. It seems some members really want a .jpg next to their coaster and will stop at nothing to make sure no one takes their coaster out of 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place.

I think this topic was brought up a while back but I couldn't find the thread.

The thing Dac is describing was especially apperant in the weekly competition two weeks ago. We had people rating down on tracks just so they could stay in first and not even explaining the low rate very well.

And I think the medal image is a .gif file. [;)]

thats why i dont even ride other rct3 rides unless they look totally awesome...i hate being int he center of conterversy

Myself, I will not rate a ride if one of my coaster's is in the weekely comp. I would rather have the community rate my track low and lose rather than me down rating others' tracks and win.

Maybe there could be example rating rides for people to look and and realize how the rating goes on this site. Because maybe on other sites people are used to more strict or easy ratings, so they know what the general consensus is here. Because when a ride gets solid nines and then someone gives a 5 that just doesnt really work or make sense. I guess im just also annoyed.

Huh? I thought the point of ratings was to express our opinions. Really, if you ask me the vast majority of the people around here are far, far, too lenient.

Other sites strict!!! This is most most strict and unexplanitory exchange site I've ever seen!

Yes it is the opinion, so if i gave your (thorazine) Dynamite a 4 or 5, that is ok? No, its not. Dynamite is a good ride. But in theory, i could give it that. Then, in retaliation, you could post an underrate topic, but then that is taking away my freedom of opinions and ratins you talk about. I do agree though that there is some sort of underrating going on here for personal gain for a medal, weekly or monthly. This whole site and stuff is for fun, its not some huge competition to put others down and to be the best. Just for fun.

If you would give it a 4 or 5, and JUSTIFY it and explain why you gave it that score, I would have no problem with it as long as you weren't pulling "justifications" out of thin air. Do I have very high standards? Yea, pretty much. I'm an engineer (in-training). I look at stuff in a very techincal mindset. I think my ratings only look harsh because well, 5 should be average, and 50% of rides should be below average. Also, it seems like a lot of people around here will give a ride an 8 just for completing a circuit...

Any of the older members here feel a sense of Deja-Vu about this topic?

[:p][:p]

It's like our own little perpetual version of Groundhog Day.

[:D][:D]

I guess i just dont like how competitive things have gotten. Like when it comes to someone who is just starting with NL, what is the point of completely demolishing someone who has no clue all the aspects of making a good ride. Does it hurt to give them maybe a 5 but really give them help in the rate, or is it better to just give a .5 and say they killed people. Maybe in the higher rated rides there can be the bickering and spite rates if those people really care that much, because usually the higher rated rides also have alot of different raters, but everyone does not need to be shut down because their ride isnt technically perfect and also unique. There just to me is a point where ripping rides apart is completely serves no point but to put people down.

edit: Sorry if this topic has been discussed before, i just havent gotten to put my two cents in yet.

pdonahue check my member number, you'll see that I have seen this topic spring up many times before. [;)]

I think it springs up when problem members/rates come around. Right now i think we have that.

Well, I'll stick with my stance on this. Everyone can rate, but only a selected group of people's will actually matter. Meaning, we should have a moderately sized group of the better builders and fairest and most truthful raters, who have say 75% of the rating. The the people not in that group's rates would be weighted 25%, or something like that.

Originally posted by dac

Myself, I will not rate a ride if one of my coaster's is in the weekely comp. I would rather have the community rate my track low and lose rather than me down rating others' tracks and win.

IMO, probably the smartest thing you have said to date (and yes, I have read all your comments on rides lately -- to include the little bicker-fest with Thorazine).

Originally posted by Thorazine

Huh? I thought the point of ratings was to express our opinions. Really, if you ask me the vast majority of the people around here are far, far, too lenient.

Yeah man -- but consider the source of who you are trying to reason with.

Originally posted by delousedcoma

Yes it is the opinion, so if i gave your (thorazine) Dynamite a 4 or 5, that is ok? No, its not. Dynamite is a good ride. But in theory, i could give it that. Then, in retaliation, you could post an underrate topic, but then that is taking away my freedom of opinions and ratins you talk about. I do agree though that there is some sort of underrating going on here for personal gain for a medal, weekly or monthly. This whole site and stuff is for fun, its not some huge competition to put others down and to be the best. Just for fun.

Matt -- now, you know my ratings, and how I will spank to death a piece of junk. The problem here, is the n00bs who DO NOT know how to rate, or those that retaliate for no reason but to show their arse to the community. THAT is what ticks off the accomplished designers. Don't you think it is odd that I have not put a ride up lately? It is not by coincidence.

Originally posted by pdonahue

Any of the older members here feel a sense of Deja-Vu about this topic?

Of course ...

Originally posted by dac

pdonahue check my member number, you'll see that I have seen this topic spring up many times before. I think it springs up when problem members/rates come around. Right now i think we have that.

Ring a bell? http://www.coastercrazy.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9329

Bell rung![:)] I knew we recently spoke about this but I forgot which thread....I would have posted there had I found it.

[Dirk_Ermen]

the rating level is going backwards and not by the quantity but more the quality. I just was recently on some bad rides that people just rated 0.5 just because it didn't completed the circuit. Then again other people suddenly rate again a 9 just because they like the track while it is horrible in technical part...
Some people just need to know HOW to rate. Or else let those n00bs know that they don't have to rate but also can COMMENT. Usually rates from noobs are like awesome. I really liked it. And then done. sometimes they even added total crap because they want the character limit full... Inside the rating area there should be an NOTE, so even the n00bs know they can also just comment. Because giving a rate the correct numbers as rate is too hard for some of them.
Ratings are there to learn for them. Sometimes when i'd give a nice good rate so they can improve their track, sometimes i'd get the feeling with some people that they never have read the rating. Just like they don't care what's inside only what is the number is saying. If just n00bs also read the ratings what they get on the their tracks so they can use it for future rides. Then they will learn how and what they need to rate theirselfs on other peoples tracks.
Oh well, it is still up to the n00bs. They are the biggest group that does bad ratings [;)]

But now to reply to the first post:
I'd say don't do that. Not everyone is that mean and if it happends we have some really fast moderators around here that takes care about it [dorkhat][|)]

Sounds like a logical idea. But, it would be boring not being able to rate when you have a ride uploaded.

I can't complain about my rates, most of my rct-3 rides gets 8 or higher. But the thing I don't get is: why are some rct-3 ride getting higher rates than my rides.

Are they better? I don't realy think so. Okea there good, but when i should ask this on a rct-3 forum with only rct-3ers my rides would just get a much higher rate.

I think we get bad rates because this site is based on every coaster simulation. Its not realy focest on one game. On the sites witch are based on 1 game you'll see much diffrent rides and parks(oke the nolimits rides over here are very good).

But I can't complain(as I did say before), but i'll just hate it when people's rides get a higher rate them mine, while I've heard 1000s of times that my rides are better.

I only want to say one more thing: When you rate rct-3 rides, rate all of the rides in the top 5 and not 3 of the 4(josh0100).

Gr. rct-3-crazy

Well, some people are jealous idiots. They figure that since they aren't as good as you, they'll put you down to make you look bad. People like that have no life.

Im bringing this topic back because i really think something should be done about rating other peoples rides down when your track is posted that week should not be allowed. In just this week i have seen it happen 3 times. Rediculous.

I agree. I don't think users should be able to rate other members' files the same week they post their track.

[Oscar]

we are rather strapped on funds to find a coder we can trust and someone who knows how to integrate it into the snitz technology we use here. it's a complex and pricy issue which is harder to find someone to do it.