Did Jesus exist? Italian court to decide

uh, did 2 pages of posts just dissapear, or is it just me?

Yes, they did. They backed up a day or two ago - meaning that about 1-2 days worth of info was lost.

[hyyyper]

it was crap anyway, we learned that tcon was yelling from some street corner and gouldy post a great comment on that

[gouldy]

Yeah, it was a damn good comment as well, I was proud of myself ... ahwell, as if I can be arsed to type it all out again.

darn, the massive reply I typed this afternoon was lost too. It was a good reply to gouldy's post...

[jayman]

i had one too.. but you're right gouldy, that is one of the biggest peices of evidence that there is stupidity in this world. it's also proof that there's sick people out there that prey on people and keep them stupid..... i can't really call them christians though...

[jayman]

Originally posted by hyyyper

it was crap anyway, we learned that tcon was yelling from some street corner and gouldy post a great comment on that

ahem... from my perspective i've always assumed the netherlands was an enlightened place, to some degree, the abscence of religion in the establishment lends to this opinion.....HOWEVER..... this post does not...... [^]

[coolbeans326]

^ yea, Hyyyper is definately not the enlightened type.

Originally posted by jayman

i had one too.. but you're right gouldy, that is one of the biggest peices of evidence that there is stupidity in this world. it's also proof that there's sick people out there that prey on people and keep them stupid..... i can't really call them christians though...

I dont follow?

Originally posted by hyyyper

it was crap anyway, we learned that tcon was yelling from some street corner and gouldy post a great comment on that

[stupid]
Pathetically pitiful and predictable. The kiddie lack of mentality and inability to take in knowledge and comprehend never ceases to amaze me.

[gouldy]

Originally posted by Real

Originally posted by jayman

i had one too.. but you're right gouldy, that is one of the biggest peices of evidence that there is stupidity in this world. it's also proof that there's sick people out there that prey on people and keep them stupid..... i can't really call them christians though...

I dont follow?

You'd have to have read the post I made right before the server was changed to understand I reckon. I actually had a good point for once instead of mindless drivel, although I'm sure you would have found fault with it

[hyyyper]

Originally posted by jayman

Originally posted by hyyyper

it was crap anyway, we learned that tcon was yelling from some street corner and gouldy post a great comment on that

ahem... from my perspective i've always assumed the netherlands was an enlightened place, to some degree, the abscence of religion in the establishment lends to this opinion.....HOWEVER..... this post does not...... [^]

nah, that's just me

and you guys shouldn't that the "it was crap anyway" not that seriously, i just meant that gouldy put in some good comments that everyone already knew, but it was good

Originally posted by gouldy

Originally posted by Real

Originally posted by jayman

i had one too.. but you're right gouldy, that is one of the biggest peices of evidence that there is stupidity in this world. it's also proof that there's sick people out there that prey on people and keep them stupid..... i can't really call them christians though...

I dont follow?

You'd have to have read the post I made right before the server was changed to understand I reckon. I actually had a good point for once instead of mindless drivel, although I'm sure you would have found fault with it

Well, I could. Anything can be found with fault since no human is perfect. However, I'm guessing it had something to do with tele-evangelism which I'm not a big fan of anyways. If you are going to use TV to spread a message, do it without asking for money. Its just so cliche to do that and its not very sincere.

[coolbeans326]

I get no satisfaction in ANYTHING anymore. [:(]

[gouldy]

Originally posted by Real
Well, I could. Anything can be found with fault since no human is perfect.

aye, my ending paragraph was about the entire human race being stupid beyond words

I have never been very active religously, but the argument for evolution has a serious flaw in it. I don't care how long you try, if you take a bunch of rocks and bang them together in a container for a few million years, you are not going to get life, period. I cannot get over this fact when trying to comprehend the concept of an all might being versus evolution and the big bang theory.

What really bakes my noodle is if everthing has to have a point of creation, who created God? (PM from Tcon forthcoming and welcome[:D]). I struggle with the concept that God has always been there as everything has to start somewhere at some time. So who started God, the universe and everything else? Thoughts like this lead to serious chemical dependancies for us mere mortals.

Bedsides, there is no way evolution would have given us Carrot-top, Joan Rivers, Pet Rocks, politics and Gilford Goddfrey (insert any other person/conept that you just scratch you head and wonder what the hell someone was thinking). This proves that there has to be a higher power and he/she/it apparently likes to torment us.[:D]

[jayman]

o.k.
put some rocks in a container and start shaking it, i'll get back to you in a million years...... (i'm kidding in case it's not obvious or being mistaken for maliscious sarcasm)

^^I personally dont think we were created with the capacity to understand the question to "Where did God come from?" There is alot right now just in our own world that we struggle to put our minds around and I certainly think that would be impossible.

Plus, what good would it do? It would just be another trivia question in a game. It wouldnt change anything thats printed in the Bible and it wouldnt really change the main message. I think its merely an irrelevant point.


However, its a natural question because it is completely and 100% human nature to need to know "those" things. For some reason we as humans think we need to know everything, but especially the beginning in order to understand a concept or thing but we dont.

"those" things include questions like:
Where did God come from?

(using science)
Where did we come from?
How did we get here?

I dont think the answers to those questions would have any bearing on our lives at all.


Isnt it interesting though that its a normal and completely natural thought? Why is it that Christianity is probably the only way of life that asks us to control every one of those natural urges?

Ive always found it a bit odd how Christianity above all others seems to ask the most of us to make us the best we can be. No other religion is as strict but at the same time as forgiving to my knowledge. In every other religion that I have read and studied theres always some degree of "freedom" that you can have in the world and be of the world. Christianity asks us to be not of this world. But real freedom comes from not being bound by all the natural urges and desires.

Its probably the hardest life I can think to live. But its the one that I know is meant for not just me but humans in general. No other asks as much change as Jesus. And no other saves you like Jesus.


But back to answering pdonahue - I think the real answer to "those" questions become answered when you allow yourself to let go of needing to know the answers to them. Which, as I said above, goes against what we know as humans. It does bake your noodle and will forever for they are unanswerable. So why think about it? There are more important things at hand.

Originally posted by pdonahue

I have never been very active religously, but the argument for evolution has a serious flaw in it. I don't care how long you try, if you take a bunch of rocks and bang them together in a container for a few million years, you are not going to get life, period. I cannot get over this fact when trying to comprehend the concept of an all might being versus evolution and the big bang theory.

What really bakes my noodle is if everthing has to have a point of creation, who created God? (PM from Tcon forthcoming and welcome[:D]). I struggle with the concept that God has always been there as everything has to start somewhere at some time. So who started God, the universe and everything else? Thoughts like this lead to serious chemical dependancies for us mere mortals.

Bedsides, there is no way evolution would have given us Carrot-top, Joan Rivers, Pet Rocks, politics and Gilford Goddfrey (insert any other person/conept that you just scratch you head and wonder what the hell someone was thinking). This proves that there has to be a higher power and he/she/it apparently likes to torment us.[:D]

Im not sure if this is a serious post or not, but just in case you were serious, I suggest you do a little bit a reading on the subject because this post shows that you have an extreme lack of knowledge on the subject. A major misconception about the theory of evolution is that people think it explains how life was created (biological evolution, that is), it only states how life forms react to their environments and how they evolve into new species. It has absolutley nothing to do with the origin of life on this planet, and it certainly says nothing about banging rocks together.

[i]What really bakes my noodle is if everthing has to have a point of creation, who created God? (PM from Tcon forthcoming and welcome). I struggle with the concept that God has always been there as everything has to start somewhere at some time. So who started God, the universe and everything else? Thoughts like this lead to serious chemical dependancies for us mere mortals.

Who says everything has to have a creator? Almost all credible physicists today accept the idea of an infinite universe. I've heard a few people explain it in a way that is kind of easy to understand, but infinity is truly a hard concept for our minds to comprehend.

[jayman]

i beg to differ about christianity being strict..mainstream american cristianity,albeit predominantly baptist (at least in protestant denominations), may seem strict in comparison to secular philosophies of our culture but compared to many other religions of the world it's not very strict at all. there are no "rituals", in the literal sense anyway, no required tithing ( as is reportedly required by the mormons) no limit on people who acrually go to heaven( j.w's) you aren't told that you get a bunch of submissive virgins when you die if you blow yourself up and kill a bunch of people who don't believe what you do, and you don't have to tell some human priest that you're sorry every week.. ....
in fact, if indeed the religion of christianity was to be just that, following the commandments of jesus there'd actually be only one commandment to follow... and a bunch of really good advice too, but the christianity i see now kinda pisses me off... in any case being a christian , even today with the way things are, couldn't be too hard, and definately not too strict. the rules and regulations did not come from jesus, but from the apostles, and a select few(in spite of a dream one of the apostles had ) from the old testament when convineint..... blah blah... i guess what i'm saying is that unlike many religions christianity, while percieved to be a religion of rules and regul;ations, is one that is not too strict .

Originally posted by Real

^^I personally dont think we were created with the capacity to understand the question to "Where did God come from?" There is alot right now just in our own world that we struggle to put our minds around and I certainly think that would be impossible.

Plus, what good would it do? It would just be another trivia question in a game. It wouldnt change anything thats printed in the Bible and it wouldnt really change the main message. I think its merely an irrelevant point.


However, its a natural question because it is completely and 100% human nature to need to know "those" things. For some reason we as humans think we need to know everything, but especially the beginning in order to understand a concept or thing but we dont.

"those" things include questions like:
Where did God come from?

(using science)
Where did we come from?
How did we get here?

I dont think the answers to those questions would have any bearing on our lives at all.


Isnt it interesting though that its a normal and completely natural thought? Why is it that Christianity is probably the only way of life that asks us to control every one of those natural urges?

Ive always found it a bit odd how Christianity above all others seems to ask the most of us to make us the best we can be. No other religion is as strict but at the same time as forgiving to my knowledge. In every other religion that I have read and studied theres always some degree of "freedom" that you can have in the world and be of the world. Christianity asks us to be not of this world. But real freedom comes from not being bound by all the natural urges and desires.

Its probably the hardest life I can think to live. But its the one that I know is meant for not just me but humans in general. No other asks as much change as Jesus. And no other saves you like Jesus.


But back to answering pdonahue - I think the real answer to "those" questions become answered when you allow yourself to let go of needing to know the answers to them. Which, as I said above, goes against what we know as humans. It does bake your noodle and will forever for they are unanswerable. So why think about it? There are more important things at hand.

The urge to answer these questions is what drives scientists to pursue their field of study. In my opinion, the desire to know the answers to everything is the key to the evolution of the human mind. Without that desire humans will move backwards in time, scientists will no longer have that desire to study their field. Our intelligence is what makes the human race so special and the dominant species on this planet, why would it be a good thing to take that away? For right now, the question of how life was formed may not be relevant to our well-being, but no amount of discipline will change human nature.

Im not sure if this is a serious post or not, but just in case you were serious, I suggest you do a little bit a reading on the subject because this post shows that you have an extreme lack of knowledge on the subject.

Ewww. You are an arrogant one aren't you. The big bang theory and evolution are both scientific explanations for the creation of life on earth and the rise of intelligent beings, ie. man. It must be that biology minor along with my bachleor and masters in business that instilled such a "extreme lack of knowledge" in me.

On behalf of the rest of the educated and civil portion of this community, try to refrain from making over ambitious statements that ultimately point out your own ignorance. If you are unable to connect the big bang theory and evolution, you obviously haven't read any of Darwin's theories. Ignorant comments like yours show why losers who lurk behind computers and flame people with insults have no place in a deep, philisophical question like this.

P.S. Big bang theory and evolution are sciences answer to intelligent design. Apparently you missed that part of your education. It was only taught in my "extremely ignorant" education.

P.P.S. If you failed to see what was and wasn't sarcasm in my origonal post, then clearly I am not the ignorant party here.[stoning]

[coolbeans326]

^

[hyyyper]

Originally posted by pdonahue

I have never been very active religously, but the argument for evolution has a serious flaw in it. I don't care how long you try, if you take a bunch of rocks and bang them together in a container for a few million years, you are not going to get life, period. I cannot get over this fact when trying to comprehend the concept of an all might being versus evolution and the big bang theory.

no, there is a flaw in your comment.

the beginning of all is just atoms like in your sciene lab's table of elements. those atoms started to bang against each other and creating more an more complex molecules, those molecules reacted in to substance creating the first one-celled bacteria, which fed themselfves with complex molecules, at sometime, they surrounded certain little cel-complexes which provided them enery with fotosynteses or chemical reactions, during that 'gain of cel organs' they got cel-cores, dna and other stuff you only understand if you have biogoly.

After the bacteria have evolved they usually slit themselves to reprocreate, but after finding a way to blend with another cel and somehow have intercourse they didn't need to split to reprocreate and they could use it to grow bigger.

Because not a single climate on earth is equal many sort of bactiria evolved into other organism, such as plants, animals and other,