2006 NL Tournament (Round 3) - RESULTS pg8

The error CJD made was to not take all the ratings out of the same amount as he did for the last set of rates. The way it is done at this point is unfair. An anology: would you like it if you took a test at school, got a higher score than somebody else, but ended up with a lower grade because their score was taken out of a lower total than yours was?

My basic message is that for fairness all scores much be taken out of the same total.

cjd, when are you going to post the results for the tournament bracket side contest? It'll be interesting to see how everyone did after Real didn't submit, and virtually everyone put him through.

where are alot of guys complaining about this? god its a contest....done in his own spare time....provided to all you guys for free. the amount of rediculous questions/concerns/critisim/comments is going to take years of cjd's life.

it's not the end of the world if it takes another month to finish this thing, so please stop asking him when is it going to start becasue it works best for me on this date and this date and not this date so dont start it on the date i cant work on it.

and also, please stop complaining about who got in and who didnt get in...."thats not fair at all blah blah blah" because, if US wouldnt of got in, you would all still be complaining about it. just deal with it, okay? personally due to the low turn out in round 3, i would have let all 5 people who uploaded continue, but then again you would all still be bitching how that isnt fair cause only 4 people should have gotten in. people, please stop this cause it is pointless.

-end rant

-ragan

For those of you who believe that I messed up the ratings, there is no error. I did the points the way that I did them on purpose.

In the last round, the ratings were all out of 33 because the final 3 points were part of the criteria. This time, however, the points were bonus points. This means that if you got 1.5 bonus points for terrain interaction, you would get a 1.5/1.5 in that category, whereas having 1.5 points for an original element in the last round meant a 1.5/3. I hope this clears it up.

This whole thing was actually one of my better ideas IMO. It not only virtually eliminated the possibility of ties, but it also allowed me to have a system where bonus points could make the difference in a close race, but did not become the deciding factor of the whole contest. I think it worked pretty darn well.

But the fact still remains. How is it possible for a 26.5 to be beaten by a 26? Last time I checked 26.5 was greater and therefore would win.

In this case, the subtotal would have been better to use. And I still don't understand exactly how your math worked.

Originally posted by Wing-Over

cjd, when are you going to post the results for the tournament bracket side contest? It'll be interesting to see how everyone did after Real didn't submit, and virtually everyone put him through.

Nobody got more than two correct, so I'm still leading Edgey by 100. All you have to do now, Dcs, is win.

Cjd, I'll tally up the side bracket points if you would like.

without the bonus, it would have been 25 being beaten by a 25.25. And since neither coaster really had great terrain use, I think that it is more than fair that smiley won it.

I have made mistakes in the past, but I know that this is not one of them. I think that this is a great system to add in bonus points without making the whole contest a bonus race. I'm willing to stand by this one.

I'm doing the side brackets as I type, by the way...

Let me try to explain how I see this in other terms. Lets say you're doing an experiment of some kind. You are testing multiple things and to make a fair comparison, they need to be compared to the same control data.

However, when the controls are different, the comparisons are different. For a completely fair and unbiased comparison all data must be compared to the same control. In the contest the rates were not compared to the same control, they were compared to a different control. Everything needs to be taken out of the maximum possible points which would be 33 in this case. This "new" rate system is totally unfair.

Bonus points should allow deficiencies in other areas to be made up. In this case they don't work like bonus points should.

Another thing I notice about this contest is that you basically had to have underground 3d tunnels to get a good score. That's not fair at all. The next round should not be which ride fits best into the terrain if it has any, it should be which ride is the best.

Set the science aside for a second, look at the rates, and tell me how it is "unfair".


Here is my thinking, and it is why I used the system in the first place.

My way:
the bonus can raise your score by a few tenths, but you do not lose points if your coaster does not recieve bonus

Your way:
the bonus is now a criteria. If you do not get bonus points, your overall score goes down.

That's not how bonus should work. I am still completely unconvinced that I am doing anything wrong. I personally really like the way that the new bonus system works.

Does anyone else think that my method of adding bonus to the scores was "unfair"? If so, then post your complaint and I will not use it on future contests. I'm still standing by it personally.

ummmm no offence cjd but theres no way that Unfourtunate Smiley beat out Jimmy

unfortunate_smiley had slightly better adrenaline, and slightly better originality. Yet, Jimmy had better tech so it was indeed a very close race. This was a complete judgment call, so I can see how there are disagreements out there. You know me, though. I'm an adrenaline and originality rater, much more so than tech. Just my preferences...

I'm always available, so round 4 can begin right now, but we I've no problems with waiting for dcs [:)]
BTW; is the template already made? [:D] I think it's going to be some sort of woodie..

I believe he said one of the four rounds would be a woodie...so I guess that means your right. If so, I definetly can't wait to see all of your coasters this time around.

[hyyyper]

^Yeah, i think there no change we won't get a woodie now, i think you will can choose from Voyage Toro and Rumbler, like you could chose between tophat and no tophat last year

Originally posted by cjd

Set the science aside for a second, look at the rates, and tell me how it is "unfair".


Here is my thinking, and it is why I used the system in the first place.

My way:
the bonus can raise your score by a few tenths, but you do not lose points if your coaster does not recieve bonus

Your way:
the bonus is now a criteria. If you do not get bonus points, your overall score goes down.

That's not how bonus should work. I am still completely unconvinced that I am doing anything wrong. I personally really like the way that the new bonus system works.

Does anyone else think that my method of adding bonus to the scores was "unfair"? If so, then post your complaint and I will not use it on future contests. I'm still standing by it personally.

Basically my whole question boils down to this. Why is the bonus being added to the denominator of the "points received/out of total" fraction? If it's not a category, there would be no reason to add anything from the bonus to the denominator at all.

Crikey! Contraversy! I'm not going to say anything about the matter of the ratings, as that'd just fan the flames.

Concerning the final round's schedual,a delay would be nice. As I said before, I'll be in China until the 26th (I'm typing this from Beijing right now), so any time after then will be fine.

Thank you CJD for your time on the ratings, we appriciate it!

P.S. Sorry, but I have no spell-check ability as time is short.

lol funny that myself and mr. smiley will be coming back from our trips on the same day. Enjoy China smiley!

So based on when people said they'd be away or what dates they'd prefer, I'd say an ideal starting date would be Friday 30th June.

^Yep. That sounds about right. Wednesday would be good also... so, the finals will begin on either Wednesday June 28 or Friday June 30.

This template will be significantly easier than the last one, but it will take a REALLY good knack for pacing and adrenaline, and potentially some massive support work also. The round will run for 2 weeks, and then we will have our winner! By the way, you are indeed correct about it being a woodie. I said "1 round will be a woodie", and since there hasn't been one yet, go figure.

id have to put my money on dcs to win it all since the last round is a woodie, hes done some insane wooden work, better than the other 3 contestants by far.


*places 150 dollars down on dan*

Cool! I like it!!

I'm back and ready to go!

^we already did it dan, you are too late!

Funny guy that ragan is...