Legalize [CENSORED WORD]?

Hm... [CENSORED WORD] is so addictive.. that's why I haven't done it in over eight months. Right. I smoked mary jane for about a year consistantly ever week or so. It was the "thing" and something fun to do with friends. We got high, laughed at each other, had a good time. No harm done. I'm not emotionally ill from it nor am I psychologically craving it. Sure, I'd take a hit if I was given one, but I'm not out looking for one right now. I have the money and the connections to do so if I'd like.

And to those who keep saying people who smoke just want others to smoke for whatever reason are just asking for it. If I'm ever to smoke with a first-timer I am DAMN SURE they want to do it. I would never influence somebody like that. I feel it is a personal choice that the individual has a right to. We have a right to smoke cigarettes, why not weed? Cigarettes are far more deadly and they are hardly looked down upon by most people.

^Iron Man if that is an honest opinion, then your okay. I just hate it when people say leaglizing it say it will free up our police system for other things! Who cares, we are handling it as we speak. I never really thought of freeing up our police force for there is no need too. If we ever did do so I bet we would see cafes full of cops eating doughnuts everywhere.

Also, do we think there is anything better to debate about on this site? [CENSORED WORD] is a bad topic to fight over IMHO.

[CENSORED WORD] isn't a bad topic to debate, it is a very REAL issue.

Sure I enjoy to debate this but, There are much better once to debate.

So make a new thread for them. [:D]

Just a quick reply to the issue of police and the enforcement of [CENSORED WORD] laws. In most states, if not all, simple possession of pot is simply a ticket. In fact, in Ohio, unless you have a lot of pot, the most you face is a $100.00 fine. However, get caught selling it and you're looking at a felony.
As for legalizing it, I really don't care one way or the other. Pot is the least of our worries in the comedy that is the "war on drugs." The police are so busy fighting crack and PCP that pot is the least of their worries.

Originally posted by RRollergod


Also, do we think there is anything better to debate about on this site? [CENSORED WORD] is a bad topic to fight over IMHO.

Bad topic to fight over? What do you mean?

Originally posted by Canadmos
I just really do not understand why there is such hatred towards [CENSORED WORD]. It is also very frustrating when I talk to someone who doesn't even know why they hate it.

I think its the general demeanor of the way its presented. When you think of someone who smokes dope you think of a completely clueless, lazy moron sitting around stoned out of their minds not doing anything - being lifeless. Thats kind of what hollywood and the media presents to you.

Ive never done it, dont desire too. I have a few people at my work (ones an employee) who does smoke from time to time and I would say out of my group of guys, all the others whom dont, hes the most "moronic". He calls into work the most with the most insane excuses, he complains about not having any money (but wants to go home from work early every day) and overall doesnt have the work ethic the rest do. Is it to blame? No. But I think that generally the people who tend to want to use it have those kinds of habits already.

Check athletes. Most of the ones caught using it are the ones who seem primarily in it for the money and fame. They may be AWESOME athletes, but, if their work ethic were so good they probably wouldnt be doing something thats not legalized. You dont see Peyton Manning or Tom Brady smoking dope. Nor do I think even Vince young or Donovan McNabb since most people would probably stereotype here anyways.


But dont let me fool you into thinking that I think its just the typicals or stereotypes. Ive been suprised by people who have told me they do it from time to time. I just find the majority of people who do smoke it on a regular basis tend to lean towards the stereotype. Might be just the people I know and there are exceptions but in general, its not like you meet a stoner and think "Man, Hes a great guy! I want to hang around him all the time"...unless you are another stoner cause youll have that in common.

my two baby's[lol]
here are they when they just where born with there other brothers and sisters how dead [:(]

baby's getting bigger

my babys are starting to Photosynthesis

and they keep growing

now there are big and strong


next weak i am going to the grownshop again to get new seeds.

Of course it should be legalized! It's a damn plant!

ALL drugs should be legalized.

No. Why?

Here's your brain on [CENSORED WORD]:
xooodllslkkidizzzzzlllsoozzzzzzzzsnoozzzzzzzzzzzz........0

Here's your brain on roller coasters:
Wow! Yeeeeeeeeeehhaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!

[jayman]

Originally posted by master of hardcore

my two baby's[lol]
here are they when they just where born with there other brothers and sisters how dead [:(]

baby's getting bigger

my babys are starting to Photosynthesis

and they keep growing

now there are big and strong


next weak i am going to the grownshop again to get new seeds.

you have cute kids

[jayman]

Originally posted by IntaminFan397

Of course it should be legalized! It's a damn plant!

ALL drugs should be legalized.

NO, THEY SHOULDN'T.. the point, in my opinion, is that when [CENSORED WORD] is put in the same catergory, legal status -wise, people see through it and will feel as if they've been lied to regarding other drugs as well.. for this reason the wrong message is sent when they are catergorized together.. legalizing al of them has the same effect. i think the penalties for many other drugs should be much harsher, espescially "agressive people" drugs like meth.. (i hate tweakers with a burning passion so i'm biased)

[coolbeans326]

^ but I thought tweaking made you cool?[pshades]

lol[:D] it does duh....[;)][;)]

[:D]

Here's your brain on [CENSORED WORD]:
xooodllslkkidizzzzzlllsoozzzzzzzzsnoozzzzzzzzzzzz........0

Here's your brain on roller coasters:
Wow! Yeeeeeeeeeehhaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!

do both @ da same time its wicked

Originally posted by jayman

Originally posted by IntaminFan397

Of course it should be legalized! It's a damn plant!

ALL drugs should be legalized.

NO, THEY SHOULDN'T.. the point, in my opinion, is that when [CENSORED WORD] is put in the same catergory, legal status -wise, people see through it and will feel as if they've been lied to regarding other drugs as well.. for this reason the wrong message is sent when they are catergorized together.. legalizing al of them has the same effect. i think the penalties for many other drugs should be much harsher, espescially "agressive people" drugs like meth.. (i hate tweakers with a burning passion so i'm biased)

If people want to do more harmful drugs, they should have the freedom to do that without the fear of legal action taken against them... the government has NO RIGHT to put someone in jail for using ANY mind-altering substance.

Plus, most deaths from illicit drugs occur BECAUSE they are illegal. People wouldn't die from having laced heroin because it would be regulated and made pharmaceutically pure. People would know what they are getting is what they ask for and not something more dangerous or potent. Or what about people harming their liver because of overdosing on APAP or acetaminophen in an opioid such as hydrocodone or oxycodone? The reason those are put in opioid painkillers are so people don't use them recreationally -- it only gets more people hurt.

The best way to reduce the harm in drug use is LEGALIZING all recreational substance so they are pharmaceutically pure, informing people about safe usage of the drug (such as the difference between recreational and fatal doses), and still warning people that it's risky. MANY lives would be saved.

BTW, not all meth users are aggressive. That's like saying stoners are lazy. People have the ability to control how they act, and if they are violent then it's their fault, not the drug's.

i agree with the above, you leagulise drugs and people stop using them.

look at cigerets in the uk. 90% of people smoke them and get addicted before the 18 age requirement becuse "its rebalious and cool". you leagulise that and then it all goes away.
its the same with all the banned drugs. they do them cuz there banned to start with but then get addicted and it goes on from there.

i will say ive never touched an ilegual drug ever cuz they are bad for your health but think of all the other stuff the goverment is saying thats bad now. basicly all you can do is drink water and eat crackers. thats all and then you'll be goverment perfect.

so i say let them be legualised and see what happens to the chrime rates and the useage of them becaues i bet they would drop segnificantly.

[jayman]

Originally posted by IntaminFan397
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BTW, not all meth users are aggressive. That's like saying stoners are lazy. People have the ability to control how they act, and if they are violent then it's their fault, not the drug's.

tweakers are the worst white trash p.o.s there ever were!!!!! , most of the time they're like this before they even try it.. my dream is to hire a bus with a banner on the side tha says "free korn concert" and once it's full have the driver aim it towards a cliff and bail out..... bye tweakers...it's not like saying stoners are lazy, lazy isn't in your face annoying, it's just annoying, tweakers are a different kind of annoying, dangerous redneck annoying....

^Hey. KoRn was a good band. Notice the emphasis on was.

The only annoying thing I see coming from tokers is that they can't seem to follow through with something. And they're too laid back.

Originally posted by gazag

i agree with the above, you leagulise drugs and people stop using them.

look at cigerets in the uk. 90% of people smoke them and get addicted before the 18 age requirement becuse "its rebalious and cool". you leagulise that and then it all goes away.
its the same with all the banned drugs. they do them cuz there banned to start with but then get addicted and it goes on from there.

i will say ive never touched an ilegual drug ever cuz they are bad for your health but think of all the other stuff the goverment is saying thats bad now. basicly all you can do is drink water and eat crackers. thats all and then you'll be goverment perfect.

so i say let them be legualised and see what happens to the chrime rates and the useage of them becaues i bet they would drop segnificantly.

No. Legalizing all drugs would end up in more and more early deaths, addiction, and would wind up that nobody would get anything done because they'd be tripping balls all day. Our society would turn into a bumbling bustle of idiots who talk about how good weed and acid is.

Originally posted by Z00Z3R



No. Legalizing all drugs would end up in more and more early deaths, addiction, and would wind up that nobody would get anything done because they'd be tripping balls all day. Our society would turn into a bumbling bustle of idiots who talk about how good weed and acid is.

yes that would happen to some of the generation or the people who want to take it, what im saying is the reason people take it is because it is banned. cigerts do things to you yet we all live with people smoking it day to day. i agree it should be banned like cigerets are becoming now. banned in every public place including at work, on the streets, in pubs and bars ect. i think holland have it right with it being leagul to smoke in your own home and specified cafes. make it leagule like that and it would stop being cool to take drugs and it would lower deaths, crime, usage ect

Originally posted by IntaminFan397

Originally posted by jayman

Originally posted by IntaminFan397

Of course it should be legalized! It's a damn plant!

ALL drugs should be legalized.

NO, THEY SHOULDN'T.. the point, in my opinion, is that when [CENSORED WORD] is put in the same catergory, legal status -wise, people see through it and will feel as if they've been lied to regarding other drugs as well.. for this reason the wrong message is sent when they are catergorized together.. legalizing al of them has the same effect. i think the penalties for many other drugs should be much harsher, espescially "agressive people" drugs like meth.. (i hate tweakers with a burning passion so i'm biased)

If people want to do more harmful drugs, they should have the freedom to do that without the fear of legal action taken against them... the government has NO RIGHT to put someone in jail for using ANY mind-altering substance.

Plus, most deaths from illicit drugs occur BECAUSE they are illegal. People wouldn't die from having laced heroin because it would be regulated and made pharmaceutically pure. People would know what they are getting is what they ask for and not something more dangerous or potent. Or what about people harming their liver because of overdosing on APAP or acetaminophen in an opioid such as hydrocodone or oxycodone? The reason those are put in opioid painkillers are so people don't use them recreationally -- it only gets more people hurt.

The best way to reduce the harm in drug use is LEGALIZING all recreational substance so they are pharmaceutically pure, informing people about safe usage of the drug (such as the difference between recreational and fatal doses), and still warning people that it's risky. MANY lives would be saved.

BTW, not all meth users are aggressive. That's like saying stoners are lazy. People have the ability to control how they act, and if they are violent then it's their fault, not the drug's.

I don't intend to sound mean but have you ever experienced the effects that ?????????mind altering????????? drug have on people and families? Let?????????s use crack for an example. You say that all mind altering drugs should be legalized, but have you ever met someone who is addicted to crack-cocaine? Have you met the families of those people? Have you spoken to a family member who pleas to you to send their brother/sister/mother to prison because it is in their best interest? I doubt it. Crack is a drug that simply ruins lives. What would legalizing it accomplish? Nothing. A more pure form of crack? Crack users eventually lose everything. That?????????s why so many turn to crime to pay for their addiction. It completely consumes them and everything in their lives. It makes people steal from their loved ones, whore out themselves (and often their loved ones, i.e., kids), or rob strangers. Even if we legalize it we would get the same result. Crack users cannot hold down a job and therefore, cannot legally afford the legalized crack. It's simply self defeating. In your ideal utopia maybe legalized crack would work, but in the real world it's simply not true. Until you truly experience what the heavy ?????????mind altering drugs????????? do to people and a community, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Let?????????s stick to the issue of legalizing [CENSORED WORD] because that is what this topic is about. I say most states will never legalize it because there is too much money in the fines that people pay for possession of [CENSORED WORD]. It's simple economics. Why legalize something if the state makes millions of dollars off of it because it is illegal?

Originally posted by dac

I don't intend to sound mean but have you ever experienced the effects that ?????????mind altering????????? drug have on people and families? Let?????????s use crack for an example. You say that all mind altering drugs should be legalized, but have you ever met someone who is addicted to crack-cocaine? Have you met the families of those people? Have you spoken to a family member who pleas to you to send their brother/sister/mother to prison because it is in their best interest? I doubt it. Crack is a drug that simply ruins lives. What would legalizing it accomplish? Nothing. A more pure form of crack? Crack users eventually lose everything. That?????????s why so many turn to crime to pay for their addiction. It completely consumes them and everything in their lives. It makes people steal from their loved ones, whore out themselves (and often their loved ones, i.e., kids), or rob strangers. Even if we legalize it we would get the same result. Crack users cannot hold down a job and therefore, cannot legally afford the legalized crack. It's simply self defeating. In your ideal utopia maybe legalized crack would work, but in the real world it's simply not true. Until you truly experience what the heavy ?????????mind altering drugs????????? do to people and a community, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Let?????????s stick to the issue of legalizing [CENSORED WORD] because that is what this topic is about. I say most states will never legalize it because there is too much money in the fines that people pay for possession of [CENSORED WORD]. It's simple economics. Why legalize something if the state makes millions of dollars off of it because it is illegal?

My cousins have lost friends due to heroin overdoses, and I have a friend whose family has been affected by drug use/addiction, so you're very wrong in assuming I don't know what the effect drugs have on friends and family of the user. I'm sure you're aware that legal opioids such as hydrocodone are very addicting as well, and prescriptions for them are being handed out like candy. There is NO reason why if these drugs are legal (especially with high doses of APAP in the pills) that heroin or MDMA should be illegal. What about psychedelics like LSD? These kinds of drugs have ZERO physical addiction potential and most psychedelics don't even have any harmful effects to the body! There is no reason why drugs like LSD should be illegal.

Addictive drugs like cocaine and heroin ruin many people's lives because frankly, people don't know how important it is to limit the use of the drug. When used in moderation, there are no physical withdrawal effects from either and the intense craving for more is short-lasting. I know quite a few people who use these drugs responsibly, and none of them have had any problems because they know what the risks are of using them too often and make sure to space out usage so they don't run the risk of getting addicted. It's up to the person whether or not they have the will to use the drug responsibly or let the drug take over their lives. The drugs themselves are NOT to blame.

About cannabis being illegal; I agree that the government makes a HUGE amount of money from it being illegal, but what about if it was legalized and taxed? I have trouble believing that the government would make less of a profit that way.

The fines people pay for illegal usage of [CENSORED WORD] doesnt even come close to meeting the amount of money spent on "The War On Drugs." Consider that last year approximately 786,545 people were arrested for possession of [CENSORED WORD](http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm). That same year, $3.36 billion was spent on Domestic Law Enforcement for drug control (according to The Office of National Drug Policy http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/pub ... g_tbls.pdf). Now consider that a majority of the Enforcement is aimed at [CENSORED WORD] prevention, and that there are MANY other federally funded programs for [CENSORED WORD] prevention as well. Even just taking half of the total amount spent on enforcement ($1.68 bill.), this would mean that each person arrested for [CENSORED WORD] possession would have had to be fined an average of $2136 in order to just meet the funding for enforcement alone. This is an amount thats even greater than most states MAXIMUM fines for [CENSORED WORD] possession. So, long story short, in the long run we actually lose a good deal of money thanks to [CENSORED WORD] being illegal. And we DEFINITELY dont make a profit out of it. (I didnt even mention the fact that state and local governments spend a much larger amount of money on enforcement proportionally on top of the federally funded enforcement amount)

On the other hand if it were legal no enforcement would be necessary, and government could make a very large amount of money off of taxing [CENSORED WORD] sales. This would lead to a VERY sizeable amount of money being made from the government end. Money that could be spent on such things as fighting poverty, Health care, or social security, among other things.

E-man, your logic is flawed because you say that the majority of the funding on the ?????????war on drugs????????? is aimed at [CENSORED WORD] enforcement and prevention. That is not the case . [CENSORED WORD] is the least of government?????????s problems. Why would they make most [CENSORED WORD] crimes a $100.00 fine if they are spending billions of the enforcement of the drug? One thing I've learned, for a fact, given my job, is that for every [CENSORED WORD] case I see there are 25 crack cases right behind it. The ?????????war on drugs????????? is a war on poverty, not a war on the suburban kids who can pay the fines imposed upon them. Back up your claims that the majority of drug prevention monies are spent on [CENSORED WORD], instead of basing your claims on unfounded presumptions.

Intamin, while I can understand the fact that some heroine users can function in society, you completely ignored the fact that I raised crack as my example. You said, ?????????Every mind altering drug should be legal.????????? That, in my opinion, is an ignorant statement. You brought up Hydro as an example of a drug that is given out like candy. Where is your proof? Hydro takes a prescription to get and thus takes a doctor?????????s examination to obtain. Are there problems with that? Sure. But 97% of doctors will review every bit of information on a patient to ensure their prescription is valid. Most doctors are not going to risk their livelihoods on a junkie looking for pain killers.

Furthermore, you brought up LSD and MDMA. These drugs are controlled drugs because they offer no medical benefit whatsoever. Are they addicting? It depends on what study you read. All we know is that they are useless medically and therefore, in my opinion, must be controlled.