What next For SFMM

[GRIM.657]

well I'm a sfmm fan... as anyone who knows what a theme park is MM & CP r the 2 best parks both with 16 coasters CP however has VERY limited room, they're surrouned by water on 3 sides MM might be able to buy one of those mountains by the park.... if they do (and they probly won't) what do u think they would do[?][?][?] poll open til jan 31

P.S. when it says"a TRUE 4-d coaster" it means it, X isn't a 4-D coaster[:O]!!!! cars have to flip forward & backward,wich they do,
but they also have to move right & left, wich they only do if the track banks.

[Oscar]

I'd say another inverted which you did not mention in your post, but an original one

[gouldy]

Build a ride to beat TTD, because then i think that SFMM will be a better park, because to be fair it does have a wider variety of rides as it is, but with a ride taller and faster than TTD then no one could say that CP is better because, SFMM will have everything that CP has got and more and better.

I don't agree at all with you saying that SFMM and CP are the 2 best theme parks, but I won't go into detail [:P]

I think that SFMM won't get anything new for a while, and if they do get another coaster it'll just be another unexciting coaster just like the rest of the rides there.

[gouldy]

oooooooff, that was harsh, do you mean to say that X doesn't excite you at all, either your lying, or your insane!

Not on list...how about a flyer that's origonal that goes thru trees and terrain.

i don't know what they need next maybe a giga coaster or a terra-coaster. The have almost all the B&M's except for a flyer and a regular sitdown and a hyper. The need an intamin impulse. and an intamin hyper or giga...i dunno maybe something revolutionary they have almost everything. or maybe alooping woodie

who knows, its six flags. they'll probably add another ride that is cloned from another one of their parks. or, they'll get a good ride and then clone it a bunch of times lol. all i know is that six flags (from where i've been) could certainly afford some janitors! or, they could chip in some money and actually paint their rides! now, ive never been to magic mountain but it seems to be the showcase of crude prototype rides. cp and sfmm seem to want to have the biggest, the best, the most exciting, the newest, the whatever rides in the world...they both have good rides, but cedar point has great rides, and at least cedar point takes care of the rides

so, to sum it up, sfmm probably noticed they no longer have the tallest and fastest coaster so they'll probably think up some quick poorly designed proto-ride, give it a name like "batman-the other ride" and plop it in the park and never look at it again while it deteriorates into a hump of rust and ...well...more rust!

cedar point has great rides, and at least cedar point takes care of the rides

CP doesn't take care of their rides. Look at Mean Streak, they don't do trackwork on it, and they put a long set of trims on the drop. They also have trims on most of their coasters.

they may not do extensive work on their rides, but they do touch them up with paint when they're peeling. just compare blue streak with rolling thunder or colossus. heck, S:ROS @ SFNE has only been around 4 years and its already turning into a pile of rust! raptor however has been arouns since...97? 96? and it looks brand new!

Woodies require a lot more maintenance than steelies, and CF fails to maintain them. Shivering Timbers has gotten very rough, and hasn't been retracked since Michigan's Adventure got it. A coaster of that size needs to be retracked every year. I've heard that GhostRider is very rough also, and Mean Streak is another ride thats rough owned by CF, not to mention its been tamed so much its nowhere near as intense of a ride as it used to be. They also trimmed Hercules so much that it just crawled through certain parts of the ride. Basicly, CF doesn't know how to take care of their coasters. At least Blue Streak is still running fine.

hm. good point. either way, i have a grudge against six flags. they provide the cheapest looking rides and the theming is sooo common!

heck, at six flags great adventure, there are TWO coasters named "batman" (the ride and the chiller) they are in seperate sections of the park so it isnt even themed or placed to look right

[Kev]

Personally, I could care less what SFMM is getting next. I would like to know what SFOT is getting next though. [:P] I hope it's something good too, because we haven't gotten something REALLY good in a long time (not that what we've gotten sucks, but they just haven't been REALLY good). But anyways, this is a SFMM thread, so I will let you guys get back to your speculations. [:D]

What I have heard is that they are gonna build a flyer around 2005-2007 which will be a clone?----Superman : Ultimate flight or whatever it is? But they have Superman the Escape so propably another clone which will probably be called...?

I would expect SFMM to get a ride like that. S:UF is very boring though, after the pretzel loop there isn't any force at all, probably stays less than 2 gs after the pretzel, and it really isn't fun or exciting.

i think that they would get an flying coaster like the one at PCW or a stupid kiddie ride

bottom line, Cedar Point is situated like no other park on a penisula with excellent scenic views of rides & nature Cedar Point doesn't need to sell their rides on wacky theming, while Magic Mountain had a whole lot of potential to out do the point, Cedar Point continues to takes huge leaps over Magic Mountain with world records 1st example back in 2000 MM debut its Goliath meanwhile CP debut Millenium Force. Magic Mountain with bad management by its parent company Six Flags & poor planning will eventually lead to MM the way of lots of other Six Flags parks these days..? why do you all think the Point is building more hotels, I also never worry about CP running out of space CP management thinks long term, Bottom line Magic Mountain=theme park Cedar Point=amusement park & resort...beware N 05

actually, cp is considered to be a theme park. but cp does have better planning. i doubt anyone at six flags could have figured ouit how to fit in 4 coasters over 200 feet along with all the other neat-o rides @ cp! lol, cp will always be my version of mecca

i don,t think SFMM is getting coasters for a while (but PCW is getting a flying coaster)

Originally posted by IntaminFan397

cedar point has great rides, and at least cedar point takes care of the rides

CP doesn't take care of their rides. Look at Mean Streak, they don't do trackwork on it, and they put a long set of trims on the drop. They also have trims on most of their coasters.

CedarPoint has A TON (i think it was around of 40 if i remember correctly) of full time carpenters employed on Mean Streak, along with a spinkler system to keep the wood at a certain moisture and temperature level. If anyone is going to be blamed then the Dinn Co..
Or the fact that woodies that tall are doomed, except when they use Intamin's Prefab-Track...maybe.
SixFlags wooden coasters are in no better condition then CP's.
(Psychlone...i'm hearning nothing good about that ride)
Also SixFlags can't even maintain their steel coasters. Flashback was butchered and rebuilt to the point where the ride is absolutely unbearable.
There's a theory that SixFlags reshaped the track because it didn't "look right". The reason is that this track was the first to use the new "Heartline" to bend the track, I am not sure if this is totally true.
Bottom line is CedarFair is not to be blamed any more than SixFlags for maintaining their coasters.

As far as what MM is getting next...probably nothing for a while, maybe some flat rides.
If they are getting a new coaster i would guess a B&M Flyer, S&S TrustAir, PremierRides Launched, or one of the new Vekoma Rides.
Those new Vekome 10-inversion LSM coasters sound like something SixFlags would be getting: Cheap and built for the statistics, not for quality.

And a "true" 4d is probably not going to happen for at least 50 years.
They can't even get the "false" ones to work.

Also, SFMM is in no direct competition with Cedar Point, except for the title of the most coasters. Noone from Ohio is going to California often enough to be a significant target market or vise-versa. And CedarPoint has more room than SFMM as of now.

CedarPoint has A TON (i think it was around of 40 if i remember correctly) of full time carpenters employed on Mean Streak, along with a spinkler system to keep the wood at a certain moisture and temperature level. If anyone is going to be blamed then the Dinn Co..
Or the fact that woodies that tall are doomed, except when they use Intamin's Prefab-Track...maybe.

Haha, that is one of the most funniest things I've heard. No seriously, what do sprinklers help in making the coaster good or not? When The ride was first built, it was excellent. I really don't care if there are carpenters around mean streak, because they don't really help at all. the Dinn company can make some great wooden coasters, its just Six Flags and CF don't know how to take care of them.

And being taller doesn't mean it can't be maintained. A taller wooden coaster just means it needs trackwork more often. I also suppose its not CP's fault there are a huge set of trims on the first drop of MS? lmao.

Seriously though, you might wanna learn some stuff about woodies before saying GP stuff like that.

Intaminfan hit the nail on the head there man. Honestly, if CP had 40 full time mechanics on MS, it wouldn't be in the sad state its been in for the last 5 years. The large wooden coaster wasn't the fault of the Dinn corp, it was a fault of the park for not keeping up the maintainence. Big wooden coasters cost alot to maintain, and if CP didnt have that kind of money, they shouldn't have built it in the first place. Its CP's fault. I rode MS back in its better years, was by far the best ride in the park, though a tad slow at the end, beat the upstops off of the rest of CP.

Why we are glorifying 2 badly run, overrated, family parks as the greatest thrillparks in teh world just gets to me. Mabye I am too harsh, but I go to a park for a thrill, CP advewrtises the biggest thrills, and it comes in nowhere near 2/3 of the places Ive been. Boggles the mind.

Careful who you are calling GP, buddy [:(!], the sprinkler system is a fact, it was presented on last years informational media-day.
And the trimms are there for a reason. Granted, MeanStrak is a crappy ride, but the sprinklers and trimms keep it from falling appart.
Oh yeah...CP put the trimms there to ruin the fun...duh!
And if i remember correctly, parts of mean streak have been retracked last year.

Seriously guys, if you think you could maintain MS better than CP and the personell it employs exclusively for MS...go ahead, call me GP if you wish, but get the facts right first. I never said MS was a good ride, but if you were to get rid of the sprinkler system, which you probably still think doesn't exist, and the trimms...and MeansStreak will be scrap wood in a few months.
Now from an enthusiast standpoint, this is where Mean Strak belongs, but obviously this is not an option from CP's marketing standpoint.

I'll look for a link or write CP-public relations an e-mail if you still think i'm "GP" and don't know what i'm taling about.

[stoning]

Did I ever call you GP? I said you were saying GP stuff, which you are.

I do believe you about the sprinkler system, but who cares if there is one? What does it help in any way to make the coaster better? Nothing. MS is not a crappy ride, its an excellent ride that is way better than anything else in the park, but really, Its not hard to beat the rides at CP since they're all family coasters. CF just doesn't know how to maintain wood. They put the trims on it because it was way too intense for most people without them, not because it was falling apart. If it was, its entirely CF's fault.

And if i remember correctly, parts of mean streak have been retracked last year.

Parts? lmao, large wooden coasters like that should have all the drops retracked at least once every year.

Seriously guys, if you think you could maintain MS better than CP and the personell it employs exclusively for MS...go ahead

If I was in charge of the park, that ride would be retracked much more often and the trims wouldn't be there. I'm not saying that I can run a park and everything, but I would definitely not let MS get in that condition.

I never said MS was a good ride, but if you were to get rid of the sprinkler system, which you probably still think doesn't exist, and the trimms...and MeansStreak will be scrap wood in a few months.
Now from an enthusiast standpoint, this is where Mean Strak belongs

The sprinkler system does nothing for the ride! The trims are just to tame the ride also, but since CF can't take care of wood the amount of wear on the track would be way too much for CF to handle.
A lot of enthusiasts have an (r) view on coasters, and thinking MS should be torn down because they can't handle intense rides, they shouldn't even call themselves enthusiasts.

I honestly dont know what a freaking sprinkler system would do for the wood, but I don't know anything about how wood ages, other then that when I rode mean streak it was dry, and that drops like that should be retracked every year, as in the first 3 if not more of it. A big wooden ride by nature tears itself up, dinn knew that, and made sure CP knew that. Cp knew what they were undertaking building a coaster that big outta wood. Yet they did it anyway. Some parks have been able to manage big woodies, but CF certainly can't. Where a massive wooden ride costs half what a massive steel ride costs, the maintainence of it is through the roof compared to steel, and parks need to have the least bit of common sense to know that you dont just put a ride there and have it take care of itself. CP didn't do any work on MS to my knowledge from 91 to 99.....thats 8 years. Not even the smaller woodies go that long with at least some trackwork to the drops. Yes, CP retracked them last year, and it made a big difference, but that kind of thing is needed more then once in a coasters life. My "homecoaster", the Grizzly@pkd gets a tracking job done on the first 2 drops every 2 or at most 3 years. And taht coaster is half the size and nowhere near the speed of MS, though *plug* a better ride. We need to stop defeinding parks bad decisions. They chose to let MS fall into disrepair, and they are now paying the price.

And yes, I could maintain MS better then CP could. So cold most any other park save the SF chain.

Now don't think I am defending SF. I am in no way! SF does a worse job then CF does, but I think both should be bought out by someone who knows what hes doing.[sillyme]