Official Macs vs. PC's WWS Rant Topic

Well, since I've noticed the conversation on the new iPod topic has more or less drifted to this argument, I've decided to post a Macs vs. PC's topic. This is a place for you to tell other people why you think their computers suck.

I personally am a Mac user and these are my reasons for choosing an Apple product:

Every second with a PC you need to be watching your back to avoid a hidden file extension, virus or macro. Sure you can get software to help with the problem, but that software, especially Norton bogs the machine down so much it's ridiculous. Should we have to fix our computers every few weeks because the software designed to try to make computing easy has instead made it hard? I have not had to reload or restore my Mac and I've had it for over 4 years. There has never been a problem with it. Mac OS X is extremely stable, you can leave your machine plugged in for months without even a system hiccup.

More on the subject of crashing. Windows programmers need to be responsible for millions of different computer parts and configurations. There is no way for them to account for every system configuration so they need to guess what comsumers will have. These guesses ultimately lead to Windows choking and a system crash. Apple on the other hand makes all of their products and the major programs for them. They can account for every configuration. The simple fact that they have less to test also allows them to work bugs out more quickly. The final product is much cleaner and less buggy than something from Microsoft. People who know more about computers should know that Mac OS X is based on UNIX. UNIX has been working in critical applications and running stably for over 15 years.

Then there's Windows itself. Vista has what, six different versions? How is a consumer to know exactly what they need for their computing needs? It seems Microsoft has designed the system to make people think they will need more and pay more to buy the best version. Additionally, the system requirements for Vista will make it extremely hard for people with older computer to make the switch. Mac OS X will run competently on older computers with no real issues.

With Bootcamp or Parallels Desktop you can easily convert your Mac into a dual boot machine. If you have to buy the copy of Windows, why not run it on a much more stable piece of hardware. And here's an interesting fact: a company wanting to demo Vista did it on iMac's because they couldn't get it to run stably on any PC they had.

iLife software takes care of all of your multimedia needs, something which even the most adamant PC users would admit the Mac does better. It is nearly seamless to transfer files between the programs. The new update Leopard will be even better, especially with the Time Machine to go back and restore deleted files.

I know that's a lot of writing so I'll finish up right here. You don't need to be an artsy type to get a Mac. They are great for practical every day use. They don't require tons of maintenence, don't get viruses or malware, don't crash, and can run Windows and any other Microsoft programs. So all you PC users out there, let's see you take this on.

No wonder Apple makes programs for the hardware because Apple controls all the hardware! You cannot upgrade a Macs hardware without going to Apple to get it done. All Apple things are over Priced as well. Also The Vista editions thing, Microsoft sells Vista to corporations and some people want a lot of programs with there OS and some want basic stripped down versions of there OS. Why install a ton of stuff you will never use? Really there are 4 versions of Vista the other 4 are for clean install and upgrade for users with XP SP2. Clean install is for people building there own PCs and need an OS to install. Also Leopard is copying Vista with Vista shadow Copy. You can go back in time to get files you deleted in each folder. iLife is a POS. Vista will install everything by itself and can do everything iLife can. Everything I have boughten for my computer Vista has read and installed correctly. Sure Vista uses a bunch of resources but what Vista is asking for is what should be very basic on new computers.

These are my views and I really hate posting in these threads. Mac users should just shut up and stop acting like macs are the best. Not all programs can run on Macs and Apple controls what programs they want to be on a Mac. Vista has yet to get a virus. The only Virus for it was one for a beta copy of it. That loop hole got closed before the final release.

Thats all. PC and Mac users should not have to argue why they think there computers a better one. Its all what you want in your computer and if you like it then thats fine for you.

This is the first and very last post I will make in this thread. I can see this thread will be a huge flame war soon.

Originally posted by Woodie Man


Every second with a PC you need to be watching your back to avoid a hidden file extension, virus or macro. Sure you can get software to help with the problem, but that software, especially Norton bogs the machine down so much it's ridiculous.

Well If there were more people using Macs than PC's, Macs would get the viruses and hidden extentions and so on while the PC wouldn't get anything because hackers and viruses want to target as many people as possible and since there arent any as many Mac owners it's much harder to create the viruses. Because people know more about Windows than OS and there wouldn't be as much of an impact.

As for me I use a PC and to tell you the truth I don't really care which one is better. They do the same things but some programs are better on the Mac and vise versa.

Actually, Microsoft copied Apple on the whole Time Machine thing. Pretty much the same way they copied Mac OS in the early days.

And here's some price information for you.
http://www.macworld.com/2006/08/opinion ... /index.php

Also, would you like to explain why you think iLIfe is a POS. It's not a very strong argument when that's all you can say about it. Every program can run on a Mac like I said before because of Bootcamp and similar programs.

My big point on Vista is that you can't use it on older computers. What happens if someone doesn't have enough money to buy a new computer, only an opperating system. With a Mac they can afford to upgrade, with Vista, they can't. A five liscence Apple update is much less than the Windows one.

>> but that software, especially Norton bogs the machine down so much it's ridiculous

Get with the times and stop using that as an excuse. No relf respecting computer nerd would ever install Norton onto any machine. It's known to be the crappiest anti virus in the world.

>> Mac OS X is extremely stable

Tried Windows Vista. I'm sure it can match OSX in terms of stability.

>> you can leave your machine plugged in for months without even a system hiccup.

The only reason your machine should be left on for months on end is if your running a server. Mac OSX is not for servers.

>> Apple on the other hand makes all of their products and the major programs for them.

This backs up that in-fact you are getting ripped off. I would hate to have all my software controlled by 1 company. There's no competition and this is why they overcharge on all their products.

>> Then there's Windows itself. Vista has what, six different versions? How is a consumer to know exactly what they need for their computing needs?

If you can't work out what version of Windows Vista you need to be running, you shouldn't be near a computer. Most retailers have already chosen and installed Home Premium though.

>> With Bootcamp or Parallels Desktop you can easily convert your Mac into a dual boot machine

I can top that. I can install VirtualBox. It's free and runs *Nix, Windows, OS/2 and more. I don't have to restart and boot into a whole other configuration just to use another OS.

>> The new update Leopard will be even better, especially with the Time Machine to go back and restore deleted files.

This can be done with Windows with System Restore? Or you can download a FREE program called Recuva by the creators of CCleaner and have it recover any file you need. It also doesn't need a gimmicky name to draw rich morons in.

Originally posted by Matt

>> but that software, especially Norton bogs the machine down so much it's ridiculous

Get with the times and stop using that as an excuse. No relf respecting computer nerd would ever install Norton onto any machine. It's known to be the crappiest anti virus in the world.

>> Mac OS X is extremely stable

Tried Windows Vista. I'm sure it can match OSX in terms of stability.

>> you can leave your machine plugged in for months without even a system hiccup.

The only reason your machine should be left on for months on end is if your running a server. Mac OSX is not for servers.

>> Apple on the other hand makes all of their products and the major programs for them.

This backs up that in-fact you are getting ripped off. I would hate to have all my software controlled by 1 company. There's no competition and this is why they overcharge on all their products.

>> Then there's Windows itself. Vista has what, six different versions? How is a consumer to know exactly what they need for their computing needs?

If you can't work out what version of Windows Vista you need to be running, you shouldn't be near a computer. Most retailers have already chosen and installed Home Premium though.

>> With Bootcamp or Parallels Desktop you can easily convert your Mac into a dual boot machine

I can top that. I can install VirtualBox. It's free and runs *Nix, Windows, OS/2 and more. I don't have to restart and boot into a whole other configuration just to use another OS.

>> The new update Leopard will be even better, especially with the Time Machine to go back and restore deleted files.

This can be done with Windows with System Restore? Or you can download a FREE program called Recuva by the creators of CCleaner and have it recover any file you need. It also doesn't need a gimmicky name to make draw rich morons in.

I agree 100% with everything you said. System restore has been available for years on Windows.

Calaway, they're calling...

Macs are very good products and have good things that PC doesn't have. However, the same exact thing can be said about PC. They both have things that the other doesn't.

But I think Apple has made many mistakes, and this is extending from Macs and iBooks and such. The new iPod nano is disgusting. The original iPod was the best because it's appearence was conceived from the 5th Generation iPod, not the mini.

The iPod touch looks cool, but I doubt their proficiency. iPhones have been a hazard for the past two months and all you ever hear is complaing from their owners.

The new Macs look very cool with new material and extrerior.

I like iTunes. A good music program and makes MP3 Device (iPod, durrh) use easy and guiltlessly legal [:)]

Those be my comments.

Calaway, do you have anything to say?

There's definitely good and bad things about both, it just depends on what you need your computer to do. The one big problem I have with macs is how much more expensive they are for what you're getting.

Hmm.. Window's crashing? I've had this computer for 3 years and never has it crashed once. We keep it on for weeks at a time as well.

this is a baised topic oh boy.


i love macs and believe they are much more user friendly...


but window is swell too


i would get a mac if they weren't so dang expensive

^Yeah I've been using Windows for a long time and I've never had any viruses or any common Windows problems. People are either too lazy to learn how to use it well or just don't know limits.

I will say this again so the people in the cheap seats can hear it once more. The errors people encounter usually begin AND end between the chair and the keyboard. There are 4 PCs in my house which have never had a problem, and they never will because I know how to run a network. This crap about "never gets infected, is more stable, etc. ..." ... Nonsense! You show me an admin who knows what they are doing, and I will show you a machine that does not get infected or break down.

Like .... MINE!

yeah, windows work if you know what your doing. I've never had a virus on here, and as tconwell said if your computer gets a virus it's because you downloaded it. Apple is basically a monopoly, and you have to do what they tell you to, thus there overpriced, badly... i mean the wired keyboards are 50 bucks, and you have no other choice, same with most of the other hardware for a mac. Windows you can find a huge range of quality and price, which lets you make the machine how you want it. Same can be said for upgrading a windows pc compared to a mac, you just have so many more options with a windows. Both have there up's and downs. I'm personally a huge windows fan over mac, but that's just how i roll.

[Coasterkidmwm]

First 300 page phone bills, slashed prices from bad sales, and now the auto update feature practically fining someone 4800 dollars. What's next for the iPhone?

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzap ... _headlines

Here's what's next.

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/openiphoneletter/

Anyone that gets an iPhone now gets $100 credit to any Apple retailer, which is enough convincing for me [;)]

[Coasterkidmwm]

Originally posted by TConwell

The errors people encounter usually begin AND end between the chair and the keyboard.

The diehard Mac userbase mostly consists of people who have trouble setting up a printer, turning on the computer, and don't know that if you avoid www.holyballsiloveinterracialgaypedoporn.com you can avoid viruses pretty easily. Everyone should read what Tconwell wrote.

Originally posted by GerstlCrazy

Calaway, they're calling...

Macs are very good products and have good things that PC doesn't have. However, the same exact thing can be said about PC. They both have things that the other doesn't.

But I think Apple has made many mistakes, and this is extending from Macs and iBooks and such. The new iPod nano is disgusting. The original iPod was the best because it's appearence was conceived from the 5th Generation iPod, not the mini.

The iPod touch looks cool, but I doubt their proficiency. iPhones have been a hazard for the past two months and all you ever hear is complaing from their owners.

The new Macs look very cool with new material and extrerior.

I like iTunes. A good music program and makes MP3 Device (iPod, durrh) use easy and guiltlessly legal [:)]

Those be my comments.

Calaway, do you have anything to say?

I like Macs, I can like Macs, and I will like Macs, and you're not going to change my opinion.

OSX isn't for servers? Theres an OSX server.... just like Windows.

And CKMWM, you don't have to restart your PC to run Paralells desktop, you can run Windows directly in Paralells.

You can't even compare System Restore to time machine, they're so far apart it's not even funny.

Time machine is SO much easier to use than System Restore... why do you have to choose space of how much you want windows to use and like... a date to restore your computer to that point?

Time Machine is GRAPHICAL meaning it's easier for the user to see what they need to restore to- plus with time machine you don't have to restart your computer either.

AND why if you've installed anything since then must you reinstall it with system restore?

System Restore REFUSES to work on my PC- I got a program that created a web tracker that would give me popups based on the sites I visit, I bought Norton and it skipped over everything, or told me that the program wasn't good enough or something...

So I figured I'd just go back to where I started...

But: "Windows System Restore could not restore from this point. No files where changed."

It's just my opinion, CKMWM, just get over it.

Btw, I've only dyed my hair 3 times in my entire life, and I did just get a hair cut, so bite me.

You're always convinced people are centered on changing your opinion.

[Coasterkidmwm]

Lol Calaway you can't run a PC that's why you hate them. Your fault dumbass.

Originally posted by GerstlCrazy

[lol] You're always convinced people are centered on changing your opinion.

uh...

You were obviously stretching the point that you were directing yoru comments at me...

PC, you're wrong, I can't run System Restore because it's a piece of crap program that doesn't work well.

Ok, I will just ask this one thing. How the hell are you comparing System Restore to Time Machine. The only thing you can compare to Time Machine is Shadow Copy that Vista Ultimate has. It is the very same thing Time Machine does. Also Time Machine also uses space its just that apple presets it and you cant change it since Apple wants to control everything.

Everyone knows Norton sucks. I have Live OneCare on my computer. (VIsta Ultimate) and with it installed I don't lag at all. You cant even tell its there. I think people need to buy Live OneCare because its a lot better than Norton is.

The reason you cant use System Restore is because you don't know how to. You need to tell the computer to auto backup every day and it will work fine. You just don't do that because you don't know how.

Yes I do... and no you don't. It takes a snapshot of your drive every amount of time- you should be able to just go back to it.

One more time .... nexyt time you get an error, check who is sitting between the chair and the keyboard. My money says, the dufus sitting in taht seat has toasted something and does not have the technical know-how to undo it. Just get over this Calaway ... the general computer user is an idiot. Plain and simple.

Now, you know I am onto something when even CKMWM says:

Originally posted by Coasterkidmwm

Everyone should read what Tconwell wrote.

Originally posted by topdrag

Ok, I will just ask this one thing. How the hell are you comparing System Restore to Time Machine. The only thing you can compare to Time Machine is Shadow Copy that Vista Ultimate has. It is the very same thing Time Machine does. Also Time Machine also uses space its just that apple presets it and you cant change it since Apple wants to control everything.

Where are you getting your Time Machine information? Why should I have to pay $400 to get one Vista Ultimate liscense and Shadow Copy when 5 Max OS X liscenses will only cost me $199? Can't argue Macs are more expensive here can you?

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net ... =macs_cant

Truth.

Frankly I dont see a point in arguing that Macs are awesome because they can run windows through bootcamp, then turn around and complain about windows. You just listed windows as a reason why your system is better!!