Abortion!

But just because that logic works for you does not mean it is just to enforce it upon others. That's my thing. I'm not so much pro-choice and I am against the restriction of the ability to choose. Just because you disagree with abortion doesn't mean you necessarily have the right to have it enforced on others with different views. :\

Couldn't guys just wear a condom? That's 98% Effective, and it doesn't hamper the experience at all. I believe that, up to a point, abortion is fine, because the kid won't be aware yet, and, being atheist, I have no problem with killing a kid that doesn't know he/she is being killed.

And about my condom comment, yes, it is 98% effective. It doesn't always work, and I know that, so don't start saying that it isn't foolproof. I am just pointing out that, if people could achieve the same feeling, still have fun, and reduce the chance of accidental impregnation by 98%, why wouldn't they do it?

lol, i didn't mean don't have sex or anything, and i'm not trying to force my opinions on you, it's just that condoms are 97% effective, not 98% [8D]

rcgeek - thank you for stating so bluntly (which is great) the facts of what I have been trying to say in less-direct way. Good job. And if anyone gets ticked off it generally means you are striking a chord about something. Keep it up - keep making us think.

bicoastalkid - no one is trying to force anything on anyone on this forum. Simply stating an opposing view is not forcing beliefs on anyone. But since yoy mentioned it, hasn't abortion been "forced" on those of us "Pro-Lifers" with a different view? just asking.

Coasterkidmwm - being dumb is not the only reason pills fail.

I never said people were forcing opinions here, but when it comes to making abortions illegal that IS forcing opinions on others.

[coolbeans326]

I'm just saying, sometimes I just wanna give a girl a creampie and not have to deal with a child after the fact. So I just said fuk it and I had a doctor scramble her fetus and vaccum it out. Everybody came out a winner.

My offspring was in a vaccum, my ho didn't have to worry about getting fat, the dr got business, and I got to cream pie some ho. What's not to like about that ending?

So how is making abortions legal not forcing someone's opinion yet making it illegal would be?

and coolbeans326, if you are trying to incite the "blood melee", good luck. But if you are being seriously truthful, then the only thing you have come anywhere near close to causing is a gag relfex. And I thought my son was selfish...geesh..

Because if abortions are legal people who don't agree with them still don't have to get them, but if they are made illegal the people who would have chosen to have an abortion are being forcibly restricted from making that decision on their own.

Does that really need to be explained? If something is legal, nobody is forcing you to do it (unless you have some strange compulsion to buy alcohol and smoke), but when you legislate against something that is an inherent restriction on individual rights. I think anyone who supports prohibition on any level generally has good intentions, but it makes me chuckle nonetheless when they attempt to convert religious/social beliefs into law.

Another point to consider with abortion: if you support a full ban, what will actually happen? The only things the "war on drugs" accomplished are a continuation of poverty and an ineffective, discriminating police force.

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Intrestingly, I am writing a (wtf long) paper on abortion (the Roe v. Wade case actually), due tommorow... only 5 pages so far but hopefully by around 5am I'll be done D:

Anyway, i haven't read all of this, but i am pretty much in agreement with the first post. I dont think that sucking up a clump of lifeless, consciousless (sp?) cells is wrong. No matter how hard you try to protect, there are always going to be cases when it doesnt work, etc.. Plus, stuff like rape you cant really control, which further justifies abortion imo. But whatever.

Another point to consider with abortion: if you support a full ban, what will actually happen? The only things the "war on drugs" accomplished are a continuation of poverty and an ineffective, discriminating police force.

A good point indeed. Banning abortion would not stop it, definatly. (lmfao at the attempts to stop drugs, piracy, etc) stuff is going to continue happening. (and imho the continuation of these is not entirly a bad thing... i like society being on the edge of failure.. adds some excitement)


But anyway... I just dont see how terminating something that can not think for (or of) itsself, couldn't live outside the womb, and.. well... is just a lifeless clump is wrong. It certainly isnt murder.



edit: Anyone remember that epic, like 10 page gay/christianity/stuff argument? good times.

I have a few thoughts:

1) How do you know fetuses have no consciousness? Can you remember your birth? What about your first year? Then how do you know you were conscious or not?

2) The only definite line anybody has ever been able to scientifically draw as to when "life" begins is when the swimmers meet the egg and it takes hold. The man gives something, the woman gives something, put it in a warm place with the right nourishment, and a baby grows. Its amazing to me that if a bald eagle decides to nest somewhere, it's nest and eggs are protected. But if a woman gets pregnant, she can choose to break open the eggs and kill the baby inside. (Look for abortion pics on the internet, those are babies they are removing, not just cell masses!)

3) Birth control could not prevent my mother and father in law from having two children when they were in their late 30's. Condoms didn't stop my wife and I from having a second child. I could dig through books and list hundreds of statistics showing abstinence, while it doesn't eliminate teen pregnancy and STD's, drastically reduces the percentages every time it is taught regularly. But many of you probably don't care because you'll ignore me anyway, irregardless of the inherent dangers abstinence, and eventually monogamy, can prevent. If you don't want me to waste my time on the teenagers, I won't waste any more time here either.

Originally posted by Halo364
I have no problem with killing a kid that doesn't know he/she is being killed.

Good. Im going to go get my grandfathers .307 and put one in your dome when you arent aware. Because you didnt know you were going to be killed, then with that logic Im off the hook! Sweet! I always wanted to play Call of Duty IRL.

BTW killing isnt religious. Religion doesnt really have a strong place in this argument because its not a religious debate. Its simple human nature that tells us its probably not right to kill someone.

Plus as said, adoption is an awesome choice. Theres far too many parents who CANT have kids that desperatly want a child of their own to raise and raise well. Just like theres too many crappy parents who cant raise their kids and their kids should be helped out in some way like adoption or foster care (though adoption is a far better choice)

Anyways, I liked that its now ok by someone here to kill kids who dont know they are being killed. As long as I hit my mark they wont feel a thing.