Evacuation Goes Wrong

It's standard industry procedure.

[hyyyper]

Originally posted by tmv8888

ya but in a situation like this one where the train rest on a very teter-tottered center of gravity, you should start from the front. Wether the people freak out or not is irrelevent. Saftey comes first and this jacka** who did the evac should have taken physics in highschool.

doesn't matter, even if the train is halten at any place other than the bottom of a dip or brakes, you should ALLWAYS lock the train. And then you can evacuate in which order you want to

yeah, im no engineer but i think the train should always be strapped down just so it doesn't randomly start moving, as it did in this case.

thank god it wasn't a hyper

that sucks... bet that was scary

It GREATLY depends on the ride you're evacuating from. In a case like that, where a train is on a conventional lift hill, as a rule it's from the front. Not only will it save someone from getting potentially serious injuries (Not to mention the infamous pink slip) but the people who are higher will get to safety first. Yes it takes longer in some cases but would you REALLY Sacrifice safety for TIME?


Some coasters evacuate from the back though..

wow [shocked] that mustve been scary!!

This is very old, but still stupid.

even i, who suggested windmills at the side of coasters to generate power am not as retarded as see that a train is tottering over the edge and see that is is balanced by the people at the back, would not load from the back. especially if it was for the reason that "we were told to." it's just plain retarded, the guys who did that should be shot, hung by the feet then quartered, then those pieces quartered again, just for good measure.

[hyyyper]

Originally posted by Rocket Rodder

It GREATLY depends on the ride you're evacuating from. In a case like that, where a train is on a conventional lift hill, as a rule it's from the front. Not only will it save someone from getting potentially serious injuries (Not to mention the infamous pink slip) but the people who are higher will get to safety first. Yes it takes longer in some cases but would you REALLY Sacrifice safety for TIME?


Some coasters evacuate from the back though..

Dude, you are WRONG. It doesn't matter in which way you evacuate. That's not when went wrong here. They should've locked the train onto the track. That's what went wrong. If you lock your train onto the track it will not move and thus it doesn't matter from which way you unload.

The reason why parks unloaded stranded train from the back has nothing to do with gravity.

Originally posted by tmv8888

Saftey comes first and this jacka** who did the evac should have taken physics in highschool.

Not to sound mean, but most people that work at amusement parks are either teenagers or people that dropped out of high school... so maybe the guy was a dropout and was too stupid to take physics... [approve]

Originally posted by SMer

thank god it wasn't a hyper

o ya... i dont wanna imagine what the hell THAT would be like... [:O]

maybe something like this...?? [peakhill]...AHH!! *crash*[xx(]

Originally posted by hyyyper

They should've locked the train onto the track.

ive got a stupid question about this... ive never seen a train "locked" to the tracks before so i was kinda wondering how you would do that... is there a lever of some sort that locks the wheels?? or is there a different way to do it????[confused]

[hyyyper]

^I don't know the english slang for it, but some sort of clamps that you tighted on the track to block the wheels.

o, ok i get it... btw i think theyre just called clamps?? [dunno]

Originally posted by SixFlagsFiesta

Rocket Rodder,

.... I hope you do not work for an amusement park, because you could get someone killed with the attitude that time is greater than safety.

Uh, that is not what he said, bud.

Originally posted by RocketRodder

Yes it takes longer in some cases but would you REALLY Sacrifice safety for TIME?

Regardless of how he got there, his intention I believe was right that safety is more important.

[Coasterkidmwm]

I remember them chaining the Demon train to the tracks when it stopped in the loop.

Originally posted by SixFlagsFiesta

You always unload back to front because you always follow rule number 1, Never unload if any part of the train is past the level point of the lift, that way you don't do what those idiots did unloading from the front.

I think that what you said here argues with the laws of gravity, when you unload back to front when the train is past the highest point the last piece of the train will become lighter than the front... causing it to gain more levitational force on the front end, and crest the top making the train work his way around the track. Think about it as in a scale. When one side is havier then the other side, that side will be pushed down harder by gravity. This would also happen to the front end of a train when you unload from back to front on the top of a lifthill.

However, still it was a wrong evac procedure. This does not may happen. But yeah last year was not exactly the greatest year for ''de Efteling''. With ''De Vliegende Hollander'' having so much breakdowns.

[hyyyper]

^Max, you are forgetting one thing. In a good evac. procedure the train is locked multiple ways onto the track. Gravity and kinetic energy are in that way out of the equation.

Unloading without the track locked in place is extremely dangerous, wether you unload front to back or the other way around. Unloading a train that can move is playing with fire.

The mistake during this evac was simply the locking of the train.

^hyyyper I did not take that in question I just wanted to make clear what was wrong with SixFlagsFiesta's argumentation.

[hyyyper]

^There is nothing wrong with his argumentation. His argument is based on the fact that during a regular evac, the train is secured.

yea i saw this video previously, but that is really horrible.

[Coasterkidmwm]

WELCOME TO THE AMATEUR PHYSICS DEBATE!

The Amateur Physics Debate is the debate where people who haven't taken physics or operated a roller coaster before decide they know what's best!

[hyyyper]

^[lol] I'm just glad I did both

[Coasterkidmwm]

That wasn't directed at you...

[Turbo]

That would suck so much...

Originally posted by SixFlagsFiesta

I wouldn't recommend wheel chocks alone, they can slip as most are not designed with unload from hell in mind. My preferred method is to take ratchet straps and attach them to a fix point on the car, and to the cross rail on the track. Than every few cars another strap is brought across the coupler and around each rail. Use chains to secure it vertically.

Rocket Rodder,

You always unload back to front because you always follow rule number 1, Never unload if any part of the train is past the level point of the lift, that way you don't do what those idiots did unloading from the front. You also do it because you have to escort people down and people can start to panic and grab other guest as they are descending. Time is of no matter because it takes the same amount of time unloaded back to front, as it does front to back. I hope you do not work for an amusement park, because you could get someone killed with the attitude that time is greater than safety.

Ah, I see! I also saw your other quote about retracting your other statement, so thanks, that was very refreshing. All it was was a misunderstanding A really really bad one on my part [:I] , but.. yeah. =) Yet. And SFF, I do work at an amusement park. =)

*EDIT*

I don't know what I was thinking when I posted that very first comment, of course it makes sense now.. The lowest point first! @_@ But I've never heard of clamps, though.