Apple's won the tablet war....for now....

[A7]

^ Identical hardware huh? You threw that out the window when putting 1600Mhz ram on the PC version compared to the 1066Mhz on the iMac. What about the $284.99 Windows 7 Ultimate on the PC version? This was going to be running an Apple OS remember? As well, the iMac only has an 8x double layer DVD drive while for the PC version you selected the LG 20x?! Throwing in some $20!? DVI cable and other miscellaneous items I would say it is obvious what you just tried to accomplish.

Alright, I honestly didn't notice the RAM and DVD drive differences. BTW, that DVD drive I picked is cheaper than many of the 8x ones on Newegg...
No, I didn't remember that this was going to be running Apple's OS. I thought we had decided that it was too much hacking to put it there.

And if I was indeed trying to accomplish what you are implying that I was trying to accomplish, I could easily have made the PC cost 4 grand. The "miscellaneous items" you are referring to is everything that the iMac has that a simple PC doesn't. I bought a mid-line USB hub (I wasn't under the impression that PC cases include USB ports - especially the cheapest possible one like I selected), a mid-line webcam, and a mid-line speaker pack, so nothing out of the ordinary there.

Edit: I just realized how off-topic this has been getting; shall we relocate to another topic? haha...

Originally posted by boneplaya

(I wasn't under the impression that PC cases include USB ports - especially the cheapest possible one like I selected)

That was priceless!

Also, I bought a gaming rig a while back, and paid around 1200#8364; for everything, including speakers, the screen, a gamer mouse and a keyboard...

But right now I'm looking at iMacs, and the best one of the ones they have (costing 2270.7#8364;) doesn't even come close in specs...
Less (and slower) RAM
WAY worse CPU
worse graphic card
less USB ports (!)
etc...

[Coasterkidmwm]

Boneplaya:

I am going to say this as clearly as I possibly can.

You have no idea what you're talking about as shown by A7, and you're just flat out MAKING poop UP. You're not entitled to your own facts, just opinions! Don't just arbitrarily assume and make up things like that, it'll get you murdered grade wise in school.

PC cases usually come with 2-4 front USBs, and then motherboards have 4-6 USBs on the back.

I also like how you included a $12 power cable, when they come free with cases/PSUs. They can also be bought at monoprice for like $.60.

Well, so far, up to being a senior in high school, my making poop up has served me incredibly well - 3.8 GPA. And I have a 3.9 GPA at OSU (I'm taking a few classes there this year). So, don't be talking crap about my grades.

Anyway, I really don't know what else to say to that response...you're damn right I don't know what I'm talking about - I tried to be as good as I could, but obviously that didn't work out so well.

Even so, the computer I made on Newegg (subtracting the differences in hardware and software pointed out by A7) would still add up to about $1600 or $1700, and as said before, you've got hours of work ahead of you after all of that.

[A7]

Okay, then what about making different hardware choices that actually make sense? You could shave off some more with just a motherboard change. The one you picked is pretty featureless. For practically the same price you could get one with integrated blue tooth, and a much better integrated audio. As well, I know ASUS has a 27" at just $360.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236080&cm_re=asus_27-_-24-236-080-_-Product

I quite literally picked a random motherboard on Newegg that I felt was in the middle of the price range. I had no idea what I was buying.

iMacs have LED monitors, which cost a lot more than $360, and as far as I could find, there aren't any third-party, 27" LED monitors with the same resolution as the iMac.

^^and I know I hadn't posted yet when you posted, Freddie, but I pretty much have no clue what I'm talking about once I get past processors, monitors, and graphics cards in computers; I haven't dealt with them at all. I appreciate the modest education I'm getting about PC cases and motherboards, though....

[Coasterkidmwm]

Originally posted by boneplaya

I quite literally picked a random motherboard on Newegg that I felt was in the middle of the price range. I had no idea what I was buying.

Then don't say it's the same thing like goddamned liar. Cut the delusional Apple crap. It's like a cult.

You are flat out wrong in almost every respect. Stop trying to cover your ass with "it came out about the same". It didn't, because you didn't pick anything remotely equivalent. Own up to your wrong actions, thoughts, and inability to do proper research before arguing a point like a man and stop this Rod Blagojevich political indirect deflect-away-from-yourself poop. Why don't you 3.8 GPA me some specific details or know what the hell you're talking about? Jackass.

Consider majoring in political science. You can make up all the facts you want and ruin the hard work of everyone else that does something useful for a living all while talking about the foreign countries you've visit and how visiting them makes you a better person than everyone else around you.

[Kev]

Originally posted by Coasterkidmwm

Consider majoring in political science. You can make up all the facts you want and ruin the hard work of everyone else that does something useful for a living all while talking about the foreign countries you've visit and how visiting them makes you a better person than everyone else around you.

That right there completely covers why I dislike Apple so much. It's nothing to do with their products (though I will say they are ridiculously overpriced as some of you are saying). I refuse to purchase any of their products, so I have no opinion on whether they are good. I was completely turned off from Apple after reading the Steve Jobs interviews where he more or less said the same thing you referred to in your post. That, and his dumb ass quotes about his superior enlightenment received from dropping acid. Give me a break.

[Coasterkidmwm]

/me waits for the "you're so mean for pointing out I'm full of crap" post

CK, I'm not going to call you an asshole for pointing out that I'm full of crap. But, first, you need to show ME some facts. Build me what YOU think is an exactly equivalent computer from Newegg and see what it comes out to, since apparently I'm a "goddamned liar" and a "jackass" who's out of my mind.

Boneplaya, you're about to get owned... for like the nth time in this forum.

[Coasterkidmwm]

Gateway:
http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529668517.php
*Since you have a 3.8GPA I don't need to tell you that you must click the "specifications" tab to view the specifications.

Mac:
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs-17inch.html
*The Mac is the base model 17 inch Macbook Pro. The website has a habit of keeping the price out of view on certain pages I apologize for that.


Use your 3.8GPA to analyze those

^^ Yeah, I agree. I'd just back down if I were you man. Apple is definitely a rip off in comparison and there is no way you can prove otherwise. It takes balls to stick up for something that is obviously not worth sticking up for, but sometimes it's just smart to know when to back down.

Originally posted by Coasterkidmwm

Gateway:
http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529668517.php
*Since you have a 3.8GPA I don't need to tell you that you must click the "specifications" tab to view the specifications.

Mac:
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs-17inch.html
*The Mac is the base model 17 inch Macbook Pro. The website has a habit of keeping the price out of view on certain pages I apologize for that.


Use your 3.8GPA to analyze those

What was the driving force behind your decision to compare 17 inch laptops? Wasn't boneplaya talking about desktops?

You neglect to mention key differences between the two machines you have selected. For example, the Gateway is 1.8 cm thicker than the Macbook, outweighs it by 2.5 pounds, and is both wider and deeper than the Macbook. The Macbook also has a higher native resolution for its display (1920 by 1200 as compared to 1440 by 900) and this display is lit using LED's, which combined with other features of the laptop give it a battery life that is 4-6 hours greater than the Gateway.

The Macbook may cost you more, but you are getting a much better machine for that amount of money. The purpose of having a laptop, even if you do not take it many places is portability. Isn't it worth some extra cost to not have to be tied to the wall all the time because of low battery life or have to lug around a brick?

^ Ok, you have a valid point with the battery life thing, but honestly, 2.5 pounds don't matter all too much. It would be dumb to not buy a better laptop because of a 2.5 pound difference. It's still under 10 pounds which is rather light weight. It's not like one weighs 6 and the other 25.

I find it quite amusing that Ckmwm finds it important that Apple is just a bit more expensive in hardware than normal cases. Did you include the software to make it actually work? Apple has just one OS for every computer doing everything you'd expect. If I'd want a equivalent pack of Windows 7, with all the features, it will cost me at least $219, if I'd have the right version. The most expensive version is a friggin $399,- , which makes the hardware difference way less important. Sure, if you buy a new case you'll get the 7 Home edition free, but you won't have every feature. With Apple's $29,- Snow Leopard, every Intel computer gets every single new feature there is. And you'll get every single feature free when you buy a new Mac.

[Coasterkidmwm]

Originally posted by Woodie Man
What was the driving force behind your decision to compare 17 inch laptops? Wasn't boneplaya talking about desktops?

Only two I could find that had the same processor. Boneplaya talks like a rich person so I picked rich person computers.

Originally posted by Woodie Man
You neglect to mention key differences between the two machines you have selected. For example, the Gateway is 1.8 cm thicker than the Macbook, outweighs it by 2.5 pounds, and is both wider and deeper than the Macbook.

I didn't grow up to be someone that complains about an extra 3 pounds. I wouldn't pay 10 dollars more to shave off 2 pounds in weight.

Originally posted by Woodie Man
The Macbook also has a higher native resolution for its display (1920 by 1200 as compared to 1440 by 900) and this display is lit using LED's, which combined with other features of the laptop give it a battery life that is 4-6 hours greater than the Gateway.

And you need to pay like 50 bucks for Apple to install a new battery eventually. I'll take the shorter battery and save the money in the long run.

Originally posted by Woodie Man
The Macbook may cost you more, but you are getting a much better machine for that amount of money. The purpose of having a laptop, even if you do not take it many places is portability. Isn't it worth some extra cost to not have to be tied to the wall all the time because of low battery life or have to lug around a brick?

1000 dollars is not worth 3 pounds or whatever less weight to me, a better screen (I'm not a photo editor, I type papers), and 5 hours of battery life. When am I ever far away from a wall outlet anyways? Whenever I see someone on a laptop at school they've always got it plugged in anyways. I'm a scientist (well in 2 weeks I will be), not a music major or some photo editing d-bag, so I'd rather spend significantly less money and invest into something more important and useful to me like a truck.

This is all I need a computer to do:
Run the internet
Open PDF's
Open Illustrator or Coreldraw (for map-making, nothing complex)
Run the internet
Type
Print
Run BitTorrent so I don't pay outrageous Apple store prices
Play music

Originally posted by Rolling Coaster

I find it quite amusing that Ckmwm finds it important that Apple is just a bit more expensive in hardware than normal cases.

Go pay another 100 dollars for an OS update.

Music majors require high resolution screens?

^^ Sources CK?

You're using quite a lot of opinions in your response. We now know what you don't like in a laptop. You should realize, and perhaps you do, that weight becomes exceedingly important for those that travel often. If someone needs the performance of a 17 inch laptop, but also needs to get on and off planes often, that two and a half pounds and smaller size make a huge difference. Battery life is also important to those who travel.

From your list of necessities for a computer, it's clear that you don't need a 17 inch laptop. Because you have very few performance requirements, you can be much more satisfied with one that is much cheaper, has a smaller screen, a slower processor, etc. The computer you should buy is one that fits your needs and is within your budget. If someone needs what a Macbook offers and happens to prefer the design or ease of use of the computer, the price is completely justifiable and it's not a concern to them.

In your view, people who spend any more money that absolutely necessary on a computer are stupid, but they certainly don't feel like they've overspent at all. I appreciate that you are concerned with saving people money, but people who are willing to spend and can afford it will see the Apple computer as a superior product. If someone doesn't have that large of a budget, then it's completely off the table and it shouldn't be looked at at all. What I'm really trying to show you is that you yourself do not express the objectivity you seem to care about so much.

The strongest arguments are made with facts from reputable sources, and you've used neither in your previous post.

[Coasterkidmwm]

Originally posted by Woodie Man
In your view, people who spend any more money that absolutely necessary on a computer are stupid,

Yes. Same applies for other products. It's a matter of being unable to comparison shop. Apple thrives on the inability to comparison shop, especially their MP3 player market.

Originally posted by Woodie Man
I appreciate that you are concerned with saving people money, but people who are willing to spend and can afford it will see the Apple computer as a superior product.

So if I'm willing to spend more money on a Honda pickup truck that automatically makes it better than a Toyota pickup? I don't get what you're saying.

Originally posted by Woodie Man
What I'm really trying to show you is that you yourself do not express the objectivity you seem to care about so much.

I can't find the exact parts, so I do the best I can with the links I've given. I linked to two computers that are pretty similar aside from what you've pointed out with the screen and the weight (I'm still in shock people care about 3 pounds) and looked at them from the "people who do actual work" standpoint and the "art tard" standpoint and the one that is 1000 dollars cheaper came out better. The 1000 dollars saved will buy a better screen to make up for it.[/quote]

And I still don't think 3 extra pounds or whatever is a big deal. Sorry. I can see how battery life is an issue, but I'm not on a plane enough for that to even be considered.

[A7]

Mac: http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3166/mack.png
PC: http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7552/71874818.png

Boneplaya/Rolling Coaster/Woodie Man, Please take a moment to thoroughly review this epic win. I can not stress enough how much this PC would rape. Now that I have made my point...

You've made fair points, but you still haven't built a computer exactly equivalent to the one that I was trying to make, and that was what I asked you. It's really easy to make a PC beat a mac pro. Those things are pretty outdated and so is their pricing. I'm willing to shut the love up as soon as this happens. Really. I'll concede if you can make a computer with identical specs as the 27" iMac, which is what I was going for in my previous posts.

originally posted by Boneplaya

Apple's products are not actually overpriced if you get the right computer.

There's a reason I said that....

^CK, 3 pounds is a lot; that's like a 30% increase in weight at that scale. But that's not all that the MacBook has over the Gateway. The Gateway has a Core 2 duo processor, while the Mac has an i5. The screen as mentioned above. The keyboard on the mac is a backlit one, the Gateway's is not. Also as mentioned, the 5 hours of battery life - again, a huge advantage (in this case over a 50% increase). That 1.8 cm? Almost an inch, or about a 40% difference in thickness. And the Gateway ships with Vista, which not even PC users liked.

[Coasterkidmwm]

Originally posted by boneplaya
^CK, 3 pounds is a lot

To a pussy.

Originally posted by boneplaya
The keyboard on the mac is a backlit one, the Gateway's is not.

I don't work in the dark like an emo. Chances are if I'm using a computer in a dark area, I'm being an asshole to those around me anyways so I wouldnt' do it to begin with.

Originally posted by boneplaya
Also as mentioned, the 5 hours of battery life - again, a huge advantage

When are you using your computer and are more than 10ft away from an electrical outlet on a day to day basis?

Originally posted by boneplaya
That 1.8 cm? Almost an inch, or about a 40% difference in thickness.

Don't care. How thick it is does not affect its ability to type a paper and be practical. All laptop bags end up being like 3-4 inches thick anyways, thus defeating the point in having a thin computer to begin with.

Originally posted by boneplaya
And the Gateway ships with Vista, which not even PC users liked.

So buy Windows 7 with the 1000 dollar savings if it matters so much.