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Board index ‹ Theme Park Discussions ‹ Theme Park News & Construction! ‹ Expedition GeForce has an oopsie!
Buying from China is like buying from a Chrysler dealership that is being liquidated.
It's cheap, it sucks, and everyone knows you don't know how to comparison shop.
Dunno, I'm just basing it off of facts from the article that many seem to be overlooking.
What are you talking about? There is no such thing as an automatic E-stop arm that goes down when the train derails. How would the train know that there was a derailment? The cars sliding on the tack is what caused the friction that stopped it.
You cant always "see" these things coming. The Xcelerator incident is NOT entirety KBFs fault. That is also Cedar Fairs fault. If they knew this would happen after XXX number of cycles, Cedar Fair should have had Knotts replace the cable.
With this its doubtful even off-season work could have noticed a small fracture in the car. More so if that fracture was a hair-line thing deep inside the car.
Blame no one. This is not Holiday Parks fault nor Intimins. Steel and metal degrade over time. When it gets to a point, the structure fails. Thats what happened.
Hahahaha automatic e-brake...
I never claimed their was an E-brake, I'm going by the article on the first page ... translated it has that terminology ... relax man. Furthermore, it would take a LOT of friction to stop a train with that sort of momentum alone.
Call it as you will, but KBF/Cedar Fairs are one in the same ... Intamin prescribed that the cable be inspected and even replaced monthly if required, and KBF/Cedar Fairs "conveniently" managed to oversee this.
I believe this accident is attributed to lack of caring and inspection other than anything else - how often has this happened with other Intamin rides? Oh, that's right, never (derailing). I know for a fact that MF is nearly 100% completely inspected daily before the park opens (including underside of trains inspection) ... why should EGF be held to any less of a safety standard.
The Demon at SFGAm is the coaster you are thinking of I think
I don't think friction was the main factor in stopping the train where it was. While the axle coming off bent the train in a way so that the wheels were out of line, thus causing much friction and preventing the train from rolling back down the hill, I think gravity was the main factor in stopping it where it was. The friction only had to slow the train down enough so that it would not crest the hill.
Actually, most ride manufacturers require critical components like wheel assemblies to undergo regular non-destructive testing to watch for metal fatigue and hairline cracks. If Expedition Geforce was suffering from metal fatigue, NDT would have almost certainly caught it before it became a problem.
Yes, because it had a device installed that would serve as an automatic e-brake that would deploy if a wheel fell of.
More often this not, this type of testing is only performed during annual tear downs or upon a components initial assembly. I do not know of any manufacturers, or parks for that matter, that require this to be performed more then annually or prior to the expiration of a components expected annual service life.
With that being said, if you are sourcing your parts OEM, then there is an expectation that this type of inspection has been performed by the manufacturer. However if somebody sources parts from a foreign source, or rebuilds them in-house, then the responsibility falls upon the installer to make sure they are of sufficient quality and grade. Most parks however, for liability reasons, order new parts OEM.
I don't think this was a maintenance neglect issue, it happened at the wrong time of the season for that sort of thing.
Expedition GeForce has an oopsie!
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It sounds strangely exciting . . .
But here is naked from the thrill of fear.
It sounds strangely exciting . . .
Originally posted by Mikey
Glad to see parks still buying components from the lowest bidder. I think the only guarantee you will get out of the Chinese is that their components will fail and somebody is likely to get hurt.
Glad to see parks still buying components from the lowest bidder. I think the only guarantee you will get out of the Chinese is that their components will fail and somebody is likely to get hurt.
Buying from China is like buying from a Chrysler dealership that is being liquidated.
It's cheap, it sucks, and everyone knows you don't know how to comparison shop.
"Careful man, there's a beverage here!"
One thing that needs to be remembered is that Intamin even implemented a solution for a worst-case-scenario such as this one. Did everyone else fail to notice the automatic E-brake contraption on the underside of the trains when a derailment is detected, that was mentioned in the article? That is what caused the stall after all ... without a contraption such as that, this could have been much worse. Of course the responsibility in this case (as with Xcelerator) lies with the park for failure to safely inspect the rides on a very regular basis.
tell me how that works becouse I do not get the point. In german papers they are talking about the car dragging to a stop becouse it slid over and not roll over te track.
Originally posted by maxamaxam
tell me how that works becouse I do not get the point. In german papers they are talking about the car dragging to a stop becouse it slid over and not roll over te track.
tell me how that works becouse I do not get the point. In german papers they are talking about the car dragging to a stop becouse it slid over and not roll over te track.
Dunno, I'm just basing it off of facts from the article that many seem to be overlooking.
Brtnboarder495 said:
If so, score for Intamin. It looks real bad, yet it hasn't turned to a disaster, for all that matters...
...The automatic E-brake contraption on the underside of the trains when a derailment is detected...
If so, score for Intamin. It looks real bad, yet it hasn't turned to a disaster, for all that matters...
I have not worked on Intiman rides, However I have never heard of this automatic E-Brake contraption you speak of. I would like to think the brake fin and body of the car dragging along the track would certainly be sufficient enough to stop the car. Can you perhaps point to the article that says this, or perhaps someone has a picture of the bottom of an Intiman trains.
Originally posted by Brtnboarder495
One thing that needs to be remembered is that Intamin even implemented a solution for a worst-case-scenario such as this one. Did everyone else fail to notice the automatic E-brake contraption on the underside of the trains when a derailment is detected, that was mentioned in the article? That is what caused the stall after all ... without a contraption such as that, this could have been much worse.
One thing that needs to be remembered is that Intamin even implemented a solution for a worst-case-scenario such as this one. Did everyone else fail to notice the automatic E-brake contraption on the underside of the trains when a derailment is detected, that was mentioned in the article? That is what caused the stall after all ... without a contraption such as that, this could have been much worse.
What are you talking about? There is no such thing as an automatic E-stop arm that goes down when the train derails. How would the train know that there was a derailment? The cars sliding on the tack is what caused the friction that stopped it.
Originally posted by Brtnboarder495
Of course the responsibility in this case (as with Xcelerator) lies with the park for failure to safely inspect the rides on a very regular basis.
Of course the responsibility in this case (as with Xcelerator) lies with the park for failure to safely inspect the rides on a very regular basis.
You cant always "see" these things coming. The Xcelerator incident is NOT entirety KBFs fault. That is also Cedar Fairs fault. If they knew this would happen after XXX number of cycles, Cedar Fair should have had Knotts replace the cable.
With this its doubtful even off-season work could have noticed a small fracture in the car. More so if that fracture was a hair-line thing deep inside the car.
Blame no one. This is not Holiday Parks fault nor Intimins. Steel and metal degrade over time. When it gets to a point, the structure fails. Thats what happened.
Originally posted by Brtnboarder495
One thing that needs to be remembered is that Intamin even implemented a solution for a worst-case-scenario such as this one. Did everyone else fail to notice the automatic E-brake contraption on the underside of the trains when a derailment is detected, that was mentioned in the article? That is what caused the stall after all ... without a contraption such as that, this could have been much worse. Of course the responsibility in this case (as with Xcelerator) lies with the park for failure to safely inspect the rides on a very regular basis.
One thing that needs to be remembered is that Intamin even implemented a solution for a worst-case-scenario such as this one. Did everyone else fail to notice the automatic E-brake contraption on the underside of the trains when a derailment is detected, that was mentioned in the article? That is what caused the stall after all ... without a contraption such as that, this could have been much worse. Of course the responsibility in this case (as with Xcelerator) lies with the park for failure to safely inspect the rides on a very regular basis.
Hahahaha automatic e-brake...
Just keep scrolling...
I know most rides have a system set up so that the loss of a single wheel isn't a big deal, but I really doubt that any ride is designed to be able to lose an entire axle.
What are you talking about? There is no such thing as an automatic E-stop arm that goes down when the train derails. How would the train know that there was a derailment? The cars sliding on the tack is what caused the friction that stopped it.
I never claimed their was an E-brake, I'm going by the article on the first page ... translated it has that terminology ... relax man. Furthermore, it would take a LOT of friction to stop a train with that sort of momentum alone.
You cant always "see" these things coming. The Xcelerator incident is NOT entirety KBFs fault. That is also Cedar Fairs fault. If they knew this would happen after XXX number of cycles, Cedar Fair should have had Knotts replace the cable.
With this its doubtful even off-season work could have noticed a small fracture in the car. More so if that fracture was a hair-line thing deep inside the car.
Blame no one. This is not Holiday Parks fault nor Intimins. Steel and metal degrade over time. When it gets to a point, the structure fails. Thats what happened.
With this its doubtful even off-season work could have noticed a small fracture in the car. More so if that fracture was a hair-line thing deep inside the car.
Blame no one. This is not Holiday Parks fault nor Intimins. Steel and metal degrade over time. When it gets to a point, the structure fails. Thats what happened.
Call it as you will, but KBF/Cedar Fairs are one in the same ... Intamin prescribed that the cable be inspected and even replaced monthly if required, and KBF/Cedar Fairs "conveniently" managed to oversee this.
I believe this accident is attributed to lack of caring and inspection other than anything else - how often has this happened with other Intamin rides? Oh, that's right, never (derailing). I know for a fact that MF is nearly 100% completely inspected daily before the park opens (including underside of trains inspection) ... why should EGF be held to any less of a safety standard.
Originally posted by boneplaya
note to self: don't tell coaster-hating friends about this. Sincerely, self
But in all seriousness, a similar thing has happened before, has it not? For some reason I remember that Loch Ness monster stalled in one of the loops because of a derailment?
note to self: don't tell coaster-hating friends about this. Sincerely, self
But in all seriousness, a similar thing has happened before, has it not? For some reason I remember that Loch Ness monster stalled in one of the loops because of a derailment?
The Demon at SFGAm is the coaster you are thinking of I think
Originally posted by Brtnboarder495
It would take a LOT of friction to stop a train with that sort of momentum alone.
It would take a LOT of friction to stop a train with that sort of momentum alone.
I don't think friction was the main factor in stopping the train where it was. While the axle coming off bent the train in a way so that the wheels were out of line, thus causing much friction and preventing the train from rolling back down the hill, I think gravity was the main factor in stopping it where it was. The friction only had to slow the train down enough so that it would not crest the hill.
Boulder Dash was the only good roller coaster.
"or if you're when the hydraulic fluid was dumped out of the motor is goes 200ft up the tower and is like "LOL nope"" - CKMWM 2016
"or if you're when the hydraulic fluid was dumped out of the motor is goes 200ft up the tower and is like "LOL nope"" - CKMWM 2016
^ Where-un disaster would have happened.
"Don't be a disability"... yep, still keeping that. 
Originally posted by Tetsu
You cant always "see" these things coming. The Xcelerator incident is NOT entirety KBFs fault. That is also Cedar Fairs fault. If they knew this would happen after XXX number of cycles, Cedar Fair should have had Knotts replace the cable.
With this its doubtful even off-season work could have noticed a small fracture in the car. More so if that fracture was a hair-line thing deep inside the car.
Blame no one. This is not Holiday Parks fault nor Intimins. Steel and metal degrade over time. When it gets to a point, the structure fails. Thats what happened.
Originally posted by Brtnboarder495
Of course the responsibility in this case (as with Xcelerator) lies with the park for failure to safely inspect the rides on a very regular basis.
Of course the responsibility in this case (as with Xcelerator) lies with the park for failure to safely inspect the rides on a very regular basis.
You cant always "see" these things coming. The Xcelerator incident is NOT entirety KBFs fault. That is also Cedar Fairs fault. If they knew this would happen after XXX number of cycles, Cedar Fair should have had Knotts replace the cable.
With this its doubtful even off-season work could have noticed a small fracture in the car. More so if that fracture was a hair-line thing deep inside the car.
Blame no one. This is not Holiday Parks fault nor Intimins. Steel and metal degrade over time. When it gets to a point, the structure fails. Thats what happened.
Actually, most ride manufacturers require critical components like wheel assemblies to undergo regular non-destructive testing to watch for metal fatigue and hairline cracks. If Expedition Geforce was suffering from metal fatigue, NDT would have almost certainly caught it before it became a problem.
Originally posted by Platypu5
The Demon at SFGAm is the coaster you ecd .aare thinking of I think
Originally posted by boneplaya
note to self: don't tell coaster-hating friends about this. Sincerely, self
But in all seriousness, a similar thing has happened before, has it not? For some reason I remember that Loch Ness monster stalled in one of the loops because of a derailment?
note to self: don't tell coaster-hating friends about this. Sincerely, self
But in all seriousness, a similar thing has happened before, has it not? For some reason I remember that Loch Ness monster stalled in one of the loops because of a derailment?
The Demon at SFGAm is the coaster you ecd .aare thinking of I think
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Originally posted by Kennyweird
Actually, most ride manufacturers require critical components like wheel assemblies to undergo regular non-destructive testing to watch for metal fatigue and hairline cracks. If Expedition Geforce was suffering from metal fatigue, NDT would have almost certainly caught it before it became a problem.
Originally posted by Tetsu
You cant always "see" these things coming. The Xcelerator incident is NOT entirety KBFs fault. That is also Cedar Fairs fault. If they knew this would happen after XXX number of cycles, Cedar Fair should have had Knotts replace the cable.
With this its doubtful even off-season work could have noticed a small fracture in the car. More so if that fracture was a hair-line thing deep inside the car.
Blame no one. This is not Holiday Parks fault nor Intimins. Steel and metal degrade over time. When it gets to a point, the structure fails. Thats what happened.
Originally posted by Brtnboarder495
Of course the responsibility in this case (as with Xcelerator) lies with the park for failure to safely inspect the rides on a very regular basis.
Of course the responsibility in this case (as with Xcelerator) lies with the park for failure to safely inspect the rides on a very regular basis.
You cant always "see" these things coming. The Xcelerator incident is NOT entirety KBFs fault. That is also Cedar Fairs fault. If they knew this would happen after XXX number of cycles, Cedar Fair should have had Knotts replace the cable.
With this its doubtful even off-season work could have noticed a small fracture in the car. More so if that fracture was a hair-line thing deep inside the car.
Blame no one. This is not Holiday Parks fault nor Intimins. Steel and metal degrade over time. When it gets to a point, the structure fails. Thats what happened.
Actually, most ride manufacturers require critical components like wheel assemblies to undergo regular non-destructive testing to watch for metal fatigue and hairline cracks. If Expedition Geforce was suffering from metal fatigue, NDT would have almost certainly caught it before it became a problem.
More often this not, this type of testing is only performed during annual tear downs or upon a components initial assembly. I do not know of any manufacturers, or parks for that matter, that require this to be performed more then annually or prior to the expiration of a components expected annual service life.
With that being said, if you are sourcing your parts OEM, then there is an expectation that this type of inspection has been performed by the manufacturer. However if somebody sources parts from a foreign source, or rebuilds them in-house, then the responsibility falls upon the installer to make sure they are of sufficient quality and grade. Most parks however, for liability reasons, order new parts OEM.
I don't think this was a maintenance neglect issue, it happened at the wrong time of the season for that sort of thing.
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