CoasterCrazy Tournament! (east) ROUND 2! (pg2)

It's a waste of time.

Wow ftf, looks like they say "wood" and "wooden" a whole lot in that patent, but never a mention of composites...

Freddie, you can say an oak tree trunk isn't made of wood all you want, but that doesn't make it true.

[slosprint]

I was not speaking technically when I stated that I did not consider El Toro wooden, I was merely stating the fact that it was missing nearly all the factors that in my mind make a wooden coaster great. In my mind a wooden coaster is defined by it feeling out of control, rough, and causing the rider to feel like something is wrong on at least one instance during the ride. El Toro does not include any of those factors, and that is why it is nowhere near my top wooden coaster list.

Oh, sorry. I just like good rides.

Originally posted by dcs221

Wow ftf, looks like they say "wood" and "wooden" a whole lot in that patent, but never a mention of composites...

Why did you say wow to me? All I did was post something how the track was made. I agree with slos though. I know it's made out of wood but the wood is glued together, bonded, and milled.

This http://cache.rcdb.com/pictures/picmax/p13856.jpg vs.
http://rcdb.com/3231.htm?p=15485

They are WAY different if you ask me. I put pre-fab's and wooden roller coasters in two very different categories. Just my opinion.

I thought I was on your side, but seems you too are confused.

You can say traditional vs. modern, but you can't say it's not wooden. That makes no sense...the track is made of wood just as other wooden rides, and there are no construction requirements for ride category. Common sense.

My bad

[slosprint]

If I closed my eyes and rode El Toro I would think it was steel. nuff said.

Originally posted by dcs221

I thought I was on your side, but seems you too are confused.

You can say traditional vs. modern, but you can't say it's not wooden. That makes no sense...the track is made of wood just as other wooden rides, and there are no construction requirements for ride category. Common sense.

I still don't look at pre-fab's as a wooden coaster. The materials used for both of them are different and there created differently.

They're both wood! You yourself put up the patent. Did they ever mention anything other than wood, aside from the top layer of steel? Not really...

They're not called wooden feeling coasters. You have every right to say they don't feel like traditional wood coasters, but you can't say they're not wooden.

I know there both wood and they mentioned other things then just wood too. Like the patent said... The track pieces were glued, bonded, and milled. "Regular woodies" are just several pieces of wood laminated(no, not glued or bonded) on top of each other. Depends how you look at it.

You're silly.

How do traditional woodies keep the layers of wood together? I assume they use bolts made of some kind of metal. Does that make the ride not wooden? No? Then why should glue or some bonding technique?

You're really not making sense, and IMO digging yourself into a hole.

Yeah, with that logic, this isn't a steel coaster because of the catwalks:

http://www.rcdb.com/286.htm?p=25059

about 24 hours left to vote in this round! [:D]

Were talking about wooden/prefab tracks. Not catwalks on a galaxi coaster.

Yeah, what does a catwalk have to do with anything?

[hyyyper]

Originally posted by slosprint

I was not speaking technically when I stated that I did not consider El Toro wooden, I was merely stating the fact that it was missing nearly all the factors that in my mind make a wooden coaster great. In my mind a wooden coaster is defined by it feeling out of control, rough, and causing the rider to feel like something is wrong on at least one instance during the ride. El Toro does not include any of those factors, and that is why it is nowhere near my top wooden coaster list.

A vekoma looper is also missing all the factors in my mind that make a steel coaster great. (smoothness, speed, vertical G's).
Would you consider them not steel coasters?

Probably.

[gouldy]

Originally posted by hyyyper

Originally posted by slosprint

I was not speaking technically when I stated that I did not consider El Toro wooden, I was merely stating the fact that it was missing nearly all the factors that in my mind make a wooden coaster great. In my mind a wooden coaster is defined by it feeling out of control, rough, and causing the rider to feel like something is wrong on at least one instance during the ride. El Toro does not include any of those factors, and that is why it is nowhere near my top wooden coaster list.

A vekoma looper is also missing all the factors in my mind that make a steel coaster great. (smoothness, speed, vertical G's).
Would you consider them not steel coasters?

Win. All arguments beyond this point are invalid.

[Dirk_Ermen]

1. Boulderdash
2. Blue Streak
3. Ravine Flyer II
4. Phoenix
5. Lightning Racer
6. Dania beach Hurricane
7. Great Escape - Comet
8. Great White

Round ends at 11:24pm!

[slosprint]

Phoenix still has more and better airtime due to it's buzzbars and lack of seatbelts.... also, let's not forget those magical things called laterals....

slosprint you keep losing points for making stuff up.

[slosprint]

Not if I waste them needlessly first!

Round 2! Here is the bracket!

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(El Toro is eliminated - I'm actually surprised by this)

You have 48 hours to place your votes!

1.Boulder Dash
2.Ravine Flyer II
3.Thunderhead
4.GE Comet

1. Boulder Dash
2. Phoenix
3. Thunderhead
4. Hellcat