[2010-09-15 15:07:38] A113: I can not belive he died
[2010-09-15 15:09:14] slosprint: I'm so sorry
[2010-09-15 15:09:57] freddie: kid who died last month put his car in a ditch
[2010-09-15 15:10:02] freddie: street racing
[2010-09-15 15:10:15] freddie: one earlier this year was afghanistan
[2010-09-15 15:10:48] A113: i don't get it
[2010-09-15 15:11:30] gazag: whats not to get? that he gave up on life and couldent take the pain anymore
[2010-09-15 15:11:51] gazag: he has crossed over to the other plain and will be there when you come to the end of your time
[2010-09-15 15:12:04] A113: but
[2010-09-15 15:12:05] SauronHimself: plane*
[2010-09-15 15:12:07] A113: i knew him
[2010-09-15 15:12:10] A113: why is he gone
[2010-09-15 15:12:19] gazag: this just happened to be his. he is in another place now. you should be happy hes not in anymore pain
[2010-09-15 15:12:27] fear_the_four: yeah turn around and you will see me
[2010-09-15 15:12:30] gazag: hes gone because it was his time to go.
[2010-09-15 15:12:55] SauronHimself: It's one thing to lose friends as a young person, but think of your grandparents' generation.
[2010-09-15 15:12:57] slosprint: THere isn't a reason for everything, A113
[2010-09-15 15:13:05] SauronHimself: They see their friends die almost on a weekly basis.
[2010-09-15 15:13:17] slosprint: I mean, Physical reason yes, but poop happens
[2010-09-15 15:13:35] slosprint: someone can be in the wrong place at the wrong time
[2010-09-15 15:13:47] slosprint: anything really
[2010-09-15 15:13:58] slosprint: THat's why you have to enjoy life while you can
[2010-09-15 15:14:11] gazag: i belive everybody has a time to cross, some know when this is others dont
[2010-09-15 15:14:33] gazag: life is short and precious, maximise it and enjoy it to its fullest
[2010-09-15 15:14:53] slosprint: ^^ That is a really mysterious scentence, Are you going to explain it more or just leave us wondering?
[2010-09-15 15:15:08] fear_the_four: slosprint are you a preacher now? I dont like preachers
[2010-09-15 15:15:34] slosprint: WHat did I say to make you think that?
[2010-09-15 15:15:38] gazag: i shall lever you to belive what you want to belive, i know what i belive and what rules i live by
[2010-09-15 15:17:02] fear_the_four: [15:13:58] slosprint: THat's why you have to enjoy life while you can
[2010-09-15 15:17:08] slosprint: I didn't preach anything
[2010-09-15 15:17:17] fear_the_four: i heard this preacher say that about 10 times
[2010-09-15 15:17:23] slosprint: That isn't preaching
[2010-09-15 15:17:26] fear_the_four: just reminded me of you being one lol
[2010-09-15 15:17:34] fear_the_four: i know
[2010-09-15 15:17:48] gazag: its a true scentence FTF, but not in the way some people use it
[2010-09-15 15:19:00] slosprint: Observation 1: life is limited
[2010-09-15 15:19:18] gazag: that isnt true
[2010-09-15 15:19:20] slosprint: Observation 2: Limited things are more valueable than non limited things
[2010-09-15 15:19:33] gazag: physical form is limited, lift isnt
[2010-09-15 15:19:44] gazag: life*
[2010-09-15 15:19:44] slosprint: point: Life is valueable
[2010-09-15 15:20:01] slosprint: Nol life as a whole
[2010-09-15 15:20:11] slosprint: I mean life on the individual scale
[2010-09-15 15:20:36] slosprint: there is no way to take someone elses's life for your own (not including transplants etc)
[2010-09-15 15:20:47] slosprint: there is no barter and trade
[2010-09-15 15:20:51] gazag: the physical plane of life is valuable, life itself isnt limited though just your existance on the physical plane
[2010-09-15 15:21:16] gazag: man your belifes are totally diffrent to mine
[2010-09-15 15:21:21] slosprint: The life of the individual is
[2010-09-15 15:22:12] slosprint: I mean, there is loosely defined "evidence" for reincarnationtion, although I don't find it convincing
[2010-09-15 15:22:36] slosprint: I would argue that life is completely dependant on the physical pane
[2010-09-15 15:22:57] slosprint: life as we know it is all about our senses and our ability to process them
[2010-09-15 15:23:05] gazag: reincarnationtion, no i dont belive in. however i do belive in the soul and
[2010-09-15 15:23:19] A113: this sucks balls
[2010-09-15 15:23:19] gazag: that is is possiable to give or steal someonelses soul
[2010-09-15 15:23:22] slosprint: Without eyes, there is no sight
[2010-09-15 15:23:45] slosprint: without ears, there is no hearing
[2010-09-15 15:24:06] gazag: but seeing isnt beliveing
[2010-09-15 15:24:37] slosprint: If you had no senses you would not be able to believe anything
[2010-09-15 15:24:58] slosprint: You would not have the ability of language to think with
[2010-09-15 15:25:10] slosprint: you would have no sights for your imagination
[2010-09-15 15:25:32] gazag: not true, if you had no scences you would have no limitation to your imagenation
[2010-09-15 15:25:35] slosprint: even your dreams are limited to what you can see, hear, touch, feel
[2010-09-15 15:26:13] gazag: for people with scences yes, but if you didnt have them you can dream and belive anything even the imposiable
[2010-09-15 15:26:19] slosprint: Yes, but you would have no means to interperet that imagination in to intelligent thought
[2010-09-15 15:26:34] jayman: lay off the mushrooms man..
[2010-09-15 15:26:44] slosprint: me?
[2010-09-15 15:26:51] jayman: gazag
[2010-09-15 15:26:52] slosprint: or gaz?
[2010-09-15 15:26:55] slosprint: oh
[2010-09-15 15:27:05] gazag: intelligent thought is an illusion in the imagination
[2010-09-15 15:27:09] jayman: you too.
[2010-09-15 15:27:24] jayman: to you yes.
[2010-09-15 15:27:24] gazag: you dont need input to create output
[2010-09-15 15:27:41] slosprint: Evidence?
[2010-09-15 15:27:45] slosprint: source?
[2010-09-15 15:27:48] slosprint: anything?
[2010-09-15 15:27:59] jayman: you've eluded into thinking you're capable of intelligent thought
[2010-09-15 15:28:00] slosprint: anything whatsoever?
[2010-09-15 15:28:12] jayman: de
[2010-09-15 15:28:31] gazag: ok
[2010-09-15 15:28:42] SauronHimself: back. That was a good dump.
[2010-09-15 15:28:43] slosprint: I am quite happy with the thought of nothing after death
[2010-09-15 15:28:57] slosprint: no reason to worry, because I won't know it when I am
[2010-09-15 15:28:59] fear_the_four: way to be a boner and ruin the chat mood
[2010-09-15 15:29:10] slosprint: lol
[2010-09-15 15:29:25] jayman: what color and shape?
[2010-09-15 15:29:26] slosprint: same as before I was alive
[2010-09-15 15:29:31] slosprint: I didn't mind it then
[2010-09-15 15:29:40] jayman: floater or sinker?
[2010-09-15 15:29:44] slosprint: I was dead for billions of years before I was alive
[2010-09-15 15:29:47] SauronHimself: auburn brown; tortoise shell
[2010-09-15 15:29:47] gazag: im also quite happy for you to belive that. you will go to limbo for it
[2010-09-15 15:30:00] slosprint: lol k
[2010-09-15 15:30:11] fear_the_four: drink kool aid and it will be green
[2010-09-15 15:30:13] gazag: no you didnt have a soul before you came to the physical plane
[2010-09-15 15:31:01] slosprint: What are you basing this on Gaz?
[2010-09-15 15:31:38] gazag: because im finding this a very intresting conversation than some of the other topics in here that
[2010-09-15 15:31:40] fear_the_four: i need to study for me driving test
[2010-09-15 15:31:47] gazag: just turn to dicks and boobs
[2010-09-15 15:32:08] SauronHimself: boobs are great. especially the big ones.
[2010-09-15 15:32:25] fear_the_four: not too big
[2010-09-15 15:32:43] Jcoasters: yes. boobs are good
[2010-09-15 15:32:56] SauronHimself: You need an ample titty love size
[2010-09-15 15:33:00] slosprint: Seriously though, If the soul is created at birth why does it not end with death?
[2010-09-15 15:33:17] slosprint: It seems that it starts with something that happens in the beginning of life
[2010-09-15 15:33:28] slosprint: assuming there is a soul of course
[2010-09-15 15:33:50] slosprint: Is it the beginning of brain function?
[2010-09-15 15:33:55] slosprint: Heartbeat?
[2010-09-15 15:34:17] fear_the_four: which came first
[2010-09-15 15:34:22] fear_the_four: the chicken or the egg
[2010-09-15 15:34:24] fear_the_four: ?
[2010-09-15 15:34:24] slosprint: the egg
[2010-09-15 15:34:32] gazag: i dont belive that you are born with a soul, but that it is built through life
[2010-09-15 15:34:35] slosprint: Eggs existed long before chickens
[2010-09-15 15:34:36] fear_the_four: your question to be answered
[2010-09-15 15:35:02] slosprint: ok, so when a baby dies he just dies
[2010-09-15 15:35:03] fear_the_four: proffffffff?
[2010-09-15 15:35:07] fear_the_four: yes
[2010-09-15 15:35:10] slosprint: nothing after
[2010-09-15 15:35:15] fear_the_four: congradulations
[2010-09-15 15:35:17] slosprint: k
[2010-09-15 15:35:20] gazag: so i belive yes
[2010-09-15 15:35:31] slosprint: ok
[2010-09-15 15:35:39] gazag: i also belive that the same happens during suicide
[2010-09-15 15:35:42] slosprint: great
[2010-09-15 15:35:51] fear_the_four: commit suicide
[2010-09-15 15:35:56] SauronHimself: On an infinitely long timeline, the probability that you will love another life or relive your current one is 100%.
[2010-09-15 15:35:57] slosprint: I don't want to live forever
[2010-09-15 15:35:58] fear_the_four: go to hell bitch
[2010-09-15 15:36:01] slosprint: It would suck
[2010-09-15 15:36:16] SauronHimself: which works mathematically because it's all about integrals
[2010-09-15 15:36:28] slosprint: Not if the universe is ever expanding
[2010-09-15 15:36:52] SauronHimself: let me break it down to you Barney style...
[2010-09-15 15:36:54] slosprint: Plus, you wouldn't remember anything
[2010-09-15 15:36:58] gazag: i wont live forever, the energys that you have acumulated during life will fade and your soul will dissapeer
[2010-09-15 15:36:58] slosprint: so it isn't you
[2010-09-15 15:37:22] slosprint: Ok, so how is your theory any more comforting or anything than mine?
[2010-09-15 15:37:28] SauronHimself: We perceive only 3 dimensions moving in the 4th, so we only see the universe forever expanding.
[2010-09-15 15:37:34] slosprint: Why does there have to be something after death
[2010-09-15 15:37:39] fear_the_four: you're a ginger
[2010-09-15 15:37:41] SauronHimself: Up in the 11th dimension, everything that ever was, is, and will be has already happened.
[2010-09-15 15:37:42] fear_the_four: you have no soul
[2010-09-15 15:37:48] slosprint: no, I'm not
[2010-09-15 15:37:50] gazag: why dosent there?
[2010-09-15 15:37:56] slosprint: But I do have no soul
[2010-09-15 15:38:18] slosprint: Because there is no reason to believe there is
[2010-09-15 15:38:18] SauronHimself: In essence, you will live every possible life making every possible choice.
[2010-09-15 15:38:23] slosprint: No evidence
[2010-09-15 15:38:27] slosprint: no comfort
[2010-09-15 15:38:31] slosprint: no nothing
[2010-09-15 15:38:38] gazag: you dont need evidence to belive
[2010-09-15 15:39:10] SauronHimself: if you want more confusion, the probability of God existing is the same probability is Him not existing
[2010-09-15 15:39:28] SauronHimself: but whichever one you believe, you're both correct.
[2010-09-15 15:39:36] slosprint: Yes, but what reason do you have for believing?
[2010-09-15 15:39:37] SauronHimself: It's a Schrodinger's cat situation.
[2010-09-15 15:39:46] gazag: why do i need one?
[2010-09-15 15:39:47] slosprint: no, sauron, it's not
[2010-09-15 15:40:07] slosprint: If god created the universe than he is more complex than the universe itself
[2010-09-15 15:40:28] SauronHimself: Of course, because this is only one universe in one existence
[2010-09-15 15:40:43] SauronHimself: Hence why my theory is that "God" is the embodiment of the 11th dimension.
[2010-09-15 15:40:50] gazag: if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is arround to hear it, does it still make a noise?
[2010-09-15 15:41:00] slosprint: then why call him god?
[2010-09-15 15:41:03] Jcoasters: yes
[2010-09-15 15:41:09] SauronHimself: why He can be omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent
[2010-09-15 15:41:13] slosprint: Just call it the 11th dimension
[2010-09-15 15:41:19] gazag: why does it make a noise then
[2010-09-15 15:41:24] SauronHimself: God is more efficient
[2010-09-15 15:41:28] slosprint: DOn't name things god just for the hell of it
[2010-09-15 15:41:32] slosprint: no he isn't
[2010-09-15 15:41:51] SauronHimself: takes heck of a lot less time to say God than 11th dimension
[2010-09-15 15:41:56] gazag: god is a greek term for heavenly beings
[2010-09-15 15:42:02] SauronHimself: one syllable versus 6
[2010-09-15 15:42:04] slosprint: If he was here at the beginning of all universes than he cannot be accounted for by anything but random chance
[2010-09-15 15:42:24] slosprint: THe only reasonable explanation is that He evolved
[2010-09-15 15:42:33] slosprint: otherwise you have redoubled the question
[2010-09-15 15:42:49] SauronHimself: Oh and, gaz, the tree does and does not make a sound.
[2010-09-15 15:42:53] SauronHimself: It depends on your measurement.
[2010-09-15 15:43:00] slosprint: It depends on how you define noise
[2010-09-15 15:43:20] slosprint: It can be oserved that every tree ever to fall in the wods makes a sound
[2010-09-15 15:43:24] SauronHimself: well we're assuming that we all know what a noise is
[2010-09-15 15:43:30] slosprint: therefore there is no reason to think that it doesn't
[2010-09-15 15:43:32] SauronHimself: but your measurement affects the outcome
[2010-09-15 15:43:47] slosprint: if it didn't thant congrats, you have just violated the laws of physics
[2010-09-15 15:44:03] gazag: however the mesurement is irelevent since there is nobody there to measure the level of it
[2010-09-15 15:44:04] fear_the_four: slosprint no matter what YOU ARE WRONG
[2010-09-15 15:44:08] fear_the_four: give up lol
[2010-09-15 15:44:39] slosprint: Plz present valid argument to show that I am incorrect
[2010-09-15 15:44:45] slosprint: otherwise GTFO
[2010-09-15 15:45:09] fear_the_four: my valid argument is sauron lol
[2010-09-15 15:45:17] gazag: but do the laws of physics apply if your not there to witness them?
[2010-09-15 15:45:27] SauronHimself: yes and no
[2010-09-15 15:45:28] slosprint: yes
[2010-09-15 15:45:40] slosprint: Except before the big bang
[2010-09-15 15:45:41] SauronHimself: You can't define the laws of physics unless you observe them
[2010-09-15 15:45:44] Jcoasters: yes
[2010-09-15 15:45:47] gazag: how do you know this?
[2010-09-15 15:45:49] slosprint: which they may not
[2010-09-15 15:46:03] slosprint: Because all historic record and evidence complies
[2010-09-15 15:46:30] gazag: however if your not there to witness them taking place you are simply beliveing they do
[2010-09-15 15:46:35] SauronHimself: historic records are just a collection of observed physics
[2010-09-15 15:46:46] slosprint: Please don't turn this into a discussion about solipsism
[2010-09-15 15:46:50] slosprint: please
[2010-09-15 15:46:52] slosprint: please
[2010-09-15 15:46:54] slosprint: please
[2010-09-15 15:47:06] gazag: were way past that time now
[2010-09-15 15:47:09] coasterpimp: oh great
[2010-09-15 15:47:10] slosprint: I have reason to believe what I believe
[2010-09-15 15:47:21] coasterpimp: I just entered into some kind of argument
[2010-09-15 15:47:25] slosprint: Plz state your reason
[2010-09-15 15:47:28] slosprint: yes you did
[2010-09-15 15:47:43] fear_the_four: yes a argument with a midget and a physics major lol
[2010-09-15 15:47:49] slosprint: WHy believe in the least likely thing just for the hell of it?
[2010-09-15 15:48:31] fear_the_four: what makes your reason more likely?
[2010-09-15 15:48:31] gazag: because its is as plausable as the most likely thing, and if you dont witness it how do you know that
[2010-09-15 15:48:40] gazag: the most likely thing did happen?
[2010-09-15 15:48:41] fear_the_four: oh oh ho wait
[2010-09-15 15:48:44] fear_the_four: it doesnt
[2010-09-15 15:48:55] slosprint: It is not as plausible
[2010-09-15 15:49:13] gazag: but that dosent mean that isnt what happened
[2010-09-15 15:49:16] slosprint: Due to the fact that there is no evidence for it
[2010-09-15 15:49:26] slosprint: I gotta go do HW
[2010-09-15 15:49:32] gazag: you belive the most plausable thing happend but you didnt witness it
[2010-09-15 15:49:33] slosprint: I can continue this later
[2010-09-15 15:49:42] slosprint: *FACEPALM*
[2010-09-15 15:49:42] gazag: aww is your brain hurting
[2010-09-15 15:49:46] SauronHimself: plausible*
[2010-09-15 15:49:47] fear_the_four: no please don't lol
[2010-09-15 15:50:05] slosprint: You still havn't told me why you believe what you believe
[2010-09-15 15:50:16] slosprint: until that point i see no reason in continueing
[2010-09-15 15:50:17] SauronHimself: In this vast informational behemoth called the internet, spell checks are readily available.
[2010-09-15 15:50:29] gazag: becasue i do, why dont you belive?
[2010-09-15 15:50:38] slosprint: Your beliefs are based on speculation
[2010-09-15 15:50:47] fear_the_four: this is a bunch of shenanigans
[2010-09-15 15:50:53] slosprint: Mine are based on observeable an repeateable facts
[2010-09-15 15:50:57] gazag: that dosent make them incorrect
[2010-09-15 15:51:03] gazag: and yours correct
[2010-09-15 15:51:13] gazag: but facts can be misleading
[2010-09-15 15:51:24] slosprint: No they can't
[2010-09-15 15:51:28] slosprint: they are facts
[2010-09-15 15:51:34] fear_the_four: hes a athiest
[2010-09-15 15:51:39] gazag: yes they can
[2010-09-15 15:51:40] fear_the_four: he always thinks he is right
[2010-09-15 15:51:50] slosprint: Einstien came up with the theory of quantem mechanics 60 years before it was observed to be true
[2010-09-15 15:52:00] slosprint: Science works
[2010-09-15 15:52:07] slosprint: it demonstrably works
[2010-09-15 15:52:12] slosprint: over and over again
[2010-09-15 15:52:17] gazag: butit carnt explane everything
[2010-09-15 15:52:22] fear_the_four: sometimes theroies are proved true then proved false
[2010-09-15 15:52:42] gazag: and again this is winess study, what happens away from that is pure speculation and belife
[2010-09-15 15:52:48] slosprint: But in the absence of an explanation there is no reason to jump to conclusions
[2010-09-15 15:52:55] slosprint: By waht basis do you do so?
[2010-09-15 15:52:59] slosprint: what
[2010-09-15 15:53:18] slosprint: I seriously gotta go HW
[2010-09-15 15:53:27] gazag: But in the absence of an explanation there is no reason to jump to conclusions
[2010-09-15 15:53:30] fear_the_four: ha whack off
[2010-09-15 15:53:34] gazag: that is agreeing with what i said thankyou
[2010-09-15 15:53:38] fear_the_four: do it and chat
[2010-09-15 15:53:42] slosprint: ???
[2010-09-15 15:53:46] fear_the_four: your reasons are FUNNAY
[2010-09-15 15:54:08] gazag: if there is no explination then anything can of happend
[2010-09-15 15:54:16] gazag: or happen
[2010-09-15 15:54:29] gazag: the host likey thing is what you "BELIVE"
[2010-09-15 15:54:37] slosprint: I am happy to say I don't know, and yet probablilities can be predicted
[2010-09-15 15:54:51] gazag: but not certain
[2010-09-15 15:54:51] slosprint: And science is the only reliable way we have of doing so
[2010-09-15 15:54:58] slosprint: name one other method that comes close
[2010-09-15 15:55:07] fear_the_four: your mother
[2010-09-15 15:55:13] slosprint: and I will be happy to continue this
[2010-09-15 15:55:19] gazag: yes it is however not everything can be explaned by science
[2010-09-15 15:55:22] slosprint: I really have to go
[2010-09-15 15:55:31] slosprint: OH MY GAWD
[2010-09-15 15:55:36] slosprint: Name one other method
[2010-09-15 15:55:39] slosprint: one other method
[2010-09-15 15:55:41] slosprint: any method
[2010-09-15 15:55:57] slosprint: ???
[2010-09-15 15:56:00] slosprint: hello?
[2010-09-15 15:56:01] gazag: there is no other method in the physical plane that you will belive in
[2010-09-15 15:56:02] fear_the_four: the methods of proving slosprint wrong
[2010-09-15 15:56:06] gazag: but many i do
[2010-09-15 15:57:03] slosprint: And as soon as you come up wit hany type of reaon to believe in anything beyond the "physical plane" I will be glad to do so
[2010-09-15 15:57:17] slosprint: until then you are asserting that it exists on no basis
[2010-09-15 15:57:27] gazag: again this iscoming back to the tree thing and belife
[2010-09-15 15:57:45] slosprint: No it isn't
[2010-09-15 15:57:55] slosprint: Either a thing is true or it isn't
[2010-09-15 15:58:07] gazag: however does physics excist outside of witnessing eyes?
[2010-09-15 15:58:16] slosprint: Yes
[2010-09-15 15:58:18] gazag: does biology?
[2010-09-15 15:58:28] slosprint: We can use computers to observe the subatomic
[2010-09-15 15:58:32] gazag: but if your not there to witness it how do you know this?#
[2010-09-15 15:58:34] slosprint: and we can't se it
[2010-09-15 15:58:52] slosprint: Dude, this has been great
[2010-09-15 15:58:56] gazag: and below subatomic there is?
[2010-09-15 15:59:06] slosprint: And I will continue it later
[2010-09-15 15:59:09] slosprint: But really
[2010-09-15 15:59:18] slosprint: I have to get into college
[2010-09-15 15:59:18] fear_the_four: bye
[2010-09-15 15:59:25] slosprint: And that means getting poop done
[2010-09-15 15:59:43] gazag: screw that this is more important
[2010-09-15 15:59:48] fear_the_four: please dont take physics
[2010-09-15 15:59:50] fear_the_four: lol
[2010-09-15 16:00:01] slosprint: And it will continue later
[2010-09-15 16:00:23] slosprint: Think about what basis you have for making the claim that there is more than the physical
[2010-09-15 16:00:31] slosprint: THen I will take you seriously
[2010-09-15 16:00:36] slosprint: But until then bye
[2010-09-15 16:00:40] gazag: and what basis that you dont
please continue our debate