2011 NLT - Round 1 [Scores pg 13]

Originally posted by GerstlCrazy

Seriously this sucks. These trees are no good. It's like he thinks we all use Newton... HERE WE GO JEEZ.

I use Newton, and too many trees still make supporting a huge pain in the ass.

Originally posted by Tanks4me

PS: My G Force parameters I place on myself are as follows:

5.5 vertical, (record in real life is 6.3 Tower of Terror @ Gold Reef City, Johannesburg, South Africa)

-1.6 airtime (IIRC, T-Express does -1.5, and Magnum XL-200 MUST do -2 or so during the bunny hops)

And as minimal lateral as possible, generally under +/-0.8 unless it's a wild mouse turn or a high lat wooden turn, which I try to keep at +/-2. (Boulder Dash does 2.4 lats, so again, it's intense, but not unheard of.)

Would these be acceptable?

You must be absolutely kidding me. T-Express probably doesn't do -1.5.. maybe close but you have to give credit for the actual difference between .1 vertical g-forces. I'm sure Intamin doesn't tend to drop below -1.3 vertical gs. Not -1.5

There is NO way BD does 2.4 lats, that is absolutely ridiculous dude.

-2.0 gs on Magnum... jeez, ignorance of the year goes to...

And 5.5 gs on ToT, maybe? But even so that is a pretty unconventional design far from the idea of a conventional roller coaster.

[hyyyper]

Originally posted by RideWarriorNation

whats the maximum/minimum hight restriction?

None

Originally posted by RideWarriorNation

whats the max station speed?

Let's also make this 15kph/9.3mph

Originally posted by HangDog

1) Is there a maximum height of the lift?
2) What about the outline way above the area? Do we need to do anything with this once we're done or is this just real high to keep it out of the way?
3) I notice in the Red Area there are some diagonal lines looking at it in the top view. Are these also boarder lines making up many sections of red or do we only need to pay attention to the main outline of the red boarder because the blue area has no diagonal lines so just wondering.

Sorry for the stupid questions but this will be my first contest and whats really funny is I still haven't ridden a real coaster LOL it's true.

Thanks in advance!

PS the rest of you peeps can go ahead and just hang it up cause I'm gonna win anyways! SAVE YOUR TIME hehehe

[:D][:p][}:)]

1-No, it can be as high or low as you want it. Just keep the minimum top speed in mind.
2-Keep the outline there, otherwise I can't check if your ride is inside those lines.
3-The red lines' only purpose is to 'extra indicate' the red area.

Originally posted by Tanks4me

PS: My G Force parameters I place on myself are as follows:

5.5 vertical, (record in real life is 6.3 Tower of Terror @ Gold Reef City, Johannesburg, South Africa)

-1.6 airtime (IIRC, T-Express does -1.5, and Magnum XL-200 MUST do -2 or so during the bunny hops)

And as minimal lateral as possible, generally under +/-0.8 unless it's a wild mouse turn or a high lat wooden turn, which I try to keep at +/-2. (Boulder Dash does 2.4 lats, so again, it's intense, but not unheard of.)

Would these be acceptable?

Like posted a few times before me, your understanding of G's is way off. 5.5 Vertical would only be acceptable if the force occurs for just a split second. For sustainded vertical forces, you don't want more than 4.0/4.5 G.
Airtime is also really high. The Megalites have about -1 Gs, and on those rides you are really being pushed into restrained. Imagine how almost twice that force will push you into an OTSR?
As for lateral, since this ride has OTSRs, you really don't want to go over 0.5 Gs.

I've seen both T Express and Colossos listed at -1.5G, and I fully believe that value. Consider though that the restraint has to be configured for the given forces...as was previously mentioned, you might not want high negatives with certain kinds of restraints.

-2G on Magnum? Highly doubt it. Keep in mind that jerk can make forces feel stronger than they really are.

Not wanting to go over .5G lats on a ride like this will severely limit you. Consider that barrel rolls on rides of this style in real life must pull something like .9G - 1.2G I'd estimate, just because of the geometry and orientation of riders at certain points. Gerstlauer also occasionally incorporate some intentionally strong laterals into their rides, like they did on the transition into the MCBR here: http://rcdb.com/2721.htm?p=15766 I don't have any facts that say this particular transition exceeds .5G, but I do know for a fact they've approximately doubled that value many times on their Eurofighters.

My advice: If your goal is to win, follow instructions exactly, then learn from the judge feedback and play to their tastes. If you want to get better, follow the hard rules, but do some research on your own as to what is right and wrong and make those decisions for yourself. Figuratively speaking in this case, if you limit yourself to that .5G, you may get to the next round but your ride won't be as good and you won't improve as much as a designer.

Also, many (most?) great rides are not perfectly smooth. Watch a back row POV of older B&MS, for example, and you'll find lots of pumps and the occasional jerk or crazy banking. Simply going for and achieving smoothness does not make your BT good, especially considering how easy it is to make a smooth track nowadays. Though I'm sure it will be to some degree, I hope that criteria isn't taken too seriously past checking to see if riders have bumps at their vertices that were not intentional and shouldn't be there.

what if i have 2250 but it goes a little more then the posted length
do we count station/break run/lift as part of the count..
cause i cant remove any more of what i have
mine is like 2400ft
would there be a point deduction or would i be out for it

[hyyyper]

Here's a small update of all my comments on your questions. This update is also posted in the first post.

UPDATE
-Colors can be changed
-Eurofigher 2 can also be used
-The deadline of Jan16th was incorrect. The 23rd is the correct deadline.
-Max transport speed on lifts/transports/stations/brakes is 15 kph 9.3 mph.
-There is no height restriction
-There is no minimum/maximum amount of train. But capacity does matter.
-Leave the template as it is. Do not change it.
-The lines in the red area have no porpuse other than to indicate the red area.
-Breaking the rules will disqualify your entry. I would suggest following the rules.

Originally posted by LeFLO

Marcello, you're so fast, you couldn't make it so fast unless it's badly done. [:D]

i've used something... it starts with n. and i've used my texas instruments 84 Plus.

Originally posted by dcs221

I've seen both T Express and Colossos listed at -1.5G, and I fully believe that value. Consider though that the restraint has to be configured for the given forces...as was previously mentioned, you might not want high negatives with certain kinds of restraints.

-2G on Magnum? Highly doubt it. Keep in mind that jerk can make forces feel stronger than they really are.

Not wanting to go over .5G lats on a ride like this will severely limit you. Consider that barrel rolls on rides of this style in real life must pull something like .9G - 1.2G I'd estimate, just because of the geometry and orientation of riders at certain points. Gerstlauer also occasionally incorporate some intentionally strong laterals into their rides, like they did on the transition into the MCBR here: http://rcdb.com/2721.htm?p=15766 I don't have any facts that say this particular transition exceeds .5G, but I do know for a fact they've approximately doubled that value many times on their Eurofighters.

My advice: If your goal is to win, follow instructions exactly, then learn from the judge feedback and play to their tastes. If you want to get better, follow the hard rules, but do some research on your own as to what is right and wrong and make those decisions for yourself. Figuratively speaking in this case, if you limit yourself to that .5G, you may get to the next round but your ride won't be as good and you won't improve as much as a designer.

Also, many (most?) great rides are not perfectly smooth. Watch a back row POV of older B&MS, for example, and you'll find lots of pumps and the occasional jerk or crazy banking. Simply going for and achieving smoothness does not make your BT good, especially considering how easy it is to make a smooth track nowadays. Though I'm sure it will be to some degree, I hope that criteria isn't taken too seriously past checking to see if riders have bumps at their vertices that were not intentional and shouldn't be there.

I had no idea on how to ascertain the real values on Magnum without spending a couple hundred bucks on an accelerometer. It was an arbitrary guess.

I heard from a couple of sources that Boulder Dash goes to 2.4 lats. That doesn't mean that I'm using that as a limit in this case, though. Which I'm not. I'm not going to build any wild mouse turns so I won't be going that high. And I did not know that Gerstlauer intentionally builds higher lat turns. I will consider that in my designs, but I'm not sure how often that will be incorporated. Plus, G force readings for coasters are not commonly stated on the internet.

For the person who said 5.5 is too much, I know it's not sustained. And it isn't. The sustained varies somewhere in the 4's usually.

Originally posted by bigjoe97

You click on the track file in the nolimits folder. oh, does anybody here know the correct friction value for an eurofighter?

Frict = X * FRICTION-COEFF,
X = 9.81
FRICTION-COEFF = 0.0275
9.81*0.0275?
Friction = 0.269775

is a lift with LIMs on it okay?

Yay mine is done, mostly hand built but that's okay...I can take a few rough spots to have something accurate to the style

[gouldy]

I'm actually having a go at this LOL. I've got my lift, drop and first element down, worked on it for a couple of hours this evening. Hopefully will do to the MCBR by tomorrow night and have the layout complete and smooth by the end of the week!

I will genuinely be really surprised if the layout is actually complete by the deadline though, let alone this weekend . I am THE lazy.

Count me in! I think this year will be kind of... interesting.

Originally posted by gouldy

I'm actually having a go at this LOL. I've got my lift, drop and first element down, worked on it for a couple of hours this evening. Hopefully will do to the MCBR by tomorrow night and have the layout complete and smooth by the end of the week!

I will genuinely be really surprised if the layout is actually complete by the deadline though, let alone this weekend . I am THE lazy.

Did you managed to fit a MCBR in the red area? That was my problem so I ditched it.

^'Tis coming my main problem lol... probably not going to end up doing this.

If my damn computer will connect to the exchange...

[Coasterkidmwm]

You didn't think it would be that easy did you? Get creative, it's entirely doable

[gouldy]

Originally posted by Jakizle

Originally posted by gouldy

I'm actually having a go at this LOL. I've got my lift, drop and first element down, worked on it for a couple of hours this evening. Hopefully will do to the MCBR by tomorrow night and have the layout complete and smooth by the end of the week!

I will genuinely be really surprised if the layout is actually complete by the deadline though, let alone this weekend . I am THE lazy.

Did you managed to fit a MCBR in the red area? That was my problem so I ditched it.

It fits in, in my "preliminary" design, but it is quite tight, so whether or not it does once the turns in and out of it are shaped and smoothed properly remains to be seen. But if it doesn't fit, well, my layout is ruined, so it had better fit!

Originally posted by GerstlCrazy

^'Tis coming my main problem lol... probably not going to end up doing this.

It fitted on my ride i have even a large (kind of double one )

Originally posted by KrazyKoasterKid

If my damn computer will connect to the exchange...

So you want to be disqualified?

No, but now I'm having a problem with the track packager running on Windows 7. It's funny how these things only happen right before contests....

EDIT: Does anyone know why it says the zlib.dll file is missing?

Originally posted by hyyyper

Sending in tracks
When you have finished your ride, you send it to contests@coastercrazy.com.
The deadline for round 1 is Sunday January 23th 11:59 PM, CoasterCrazy Time.
When all tracks are in, Oscar will remove all the track and membernames, so the judges will not be able to see which track belongs to who.
In order to maintain this system, you may not post anything that would connect you to a ride. Also, when using the track packager, make sure your name is not mentioned anywhere.

[hyyyper]

Originally posted by bigbadwolffan

is a lift with LIMs on it okay?

Totaly OK. As long as the lift is still a lift and not a launch all of a sudden. If the speed is not higher than 15kph/9.3 mph, it's allowed.

Finished my layout, managed to fit a MCBR in too. The only problem is it's rough as poop (still) so now for the long slow progress of smoothing and supporting.

hmm i have a question about euro fighters, can they stop on a curved friction wheel segment?