Young ones in the site!

You know what really turns my coaster car over is when I see you down rate some of the older coaster designers on this site. Me being one I have to say there are several that are over 50 years old and have been on more before you were born. Like Bobcoaster, Steve Benham and I are the 50 and older group and we have been on more coasters that are now gone,some of this men have ridden some of the great old coasters like the riverview Bobs. So think twice before you down rate some ones ride because some of use have rode coasters that were designed before computers and they were rough. Some lateral were way above to day standards, like the Texas Cyclone, Idora Park Wildcat, Mr. Twister, and the Texas State Fair Comet which had some of the best Stand you up pinned to your lap bar. I for a fact have interview some of the late designers and even have the math computation from the late Bill Cobb.

[Mikey]

While I am just short of qualifying for an AARP card myself I think there is a strong disconnect in this regard from older generations. You are correct that they do not understand how older rides operated and there was a time when safety was not a priority in this industry.

Texas Cyclone was infamous for having to have the up stops replaced routinely on the back three cars because they would get worn out from the hard core ejector air laterals. It also had a higher height requirement (I think 52 inches if memory serves me correctly) so that riders would have enough mass to keep them in their seats and firmly pressed up against the lap bar.

You kids don't remember rides where trains had to be rebuilt on a nightly basis because they were literately coming apart. Even some modern coasters like the late Rattler and Texas Giant had these issues. Texas Giant had some really violent ejector air on it's return facing safety brake. It was so bad that cell phones left in shirt pockets often ended up close to the music mill.

Rattler had to be re-profiled, rebuilt and trimmed so many times during it's life because of it's violent love affair with gravity. It wasn't uncommon for an entire train of passengers to complain of whiplash.

I don't see what roller coasters built back before computers, and the old members who have ridden them, have to do with a COMPUTER game. People rate what they rate based on what they feel, it has nothing to do with age or how many coasters the person has ridden. There is almost little to no correlation between the two.

^ But there is Ckidd. Rides on this site often down scored for being dull, or having forces that are through the roof for modern standards. Older rides designed decades ago have those weird quarks that you cant get anymore. To that, many people here say that you ride pulls 2+ lats and thats red on the G meter so I am rating down for that. Its all based on what B&M, Intamin, GCI, GG, or other companies make now. Anyone trying to make a PTC or other notable designers of that era (pre-70s) gets told that its not real, too rough, pumps, ect. Sad thing is that most of these rides are going away. We are losing our amusement park history with these older rides. Luckily in eastern PA I can get a ride on at least 2 classic coasters (Thunder Hawk a.k.a. Coaster 1923/24 and Comet 1923). Even now I can say that ThunderHawk has high forces, pumps like hell, is rough, and guess what? Its still FUN and ENJOYABLE. I agree that smooth is more comfortable but these rough gems are still holding there own. Even in a game that should be noticed.

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ravenrider, I am going to move this to the "No Limits Coaster" area. I think this topic would do more good there then in the complaints area so people can respond sooner.

I can somewhat see your point. And yes I also agree Thunderhawk is fun, it probably has the most rerides for me at the park if not in general, never got on Comet because theres usually a large line. I also don't see any reason to bobcoaster into this considering without looking I am certain not a single ride of his is rated below 7 most are upper 8s and 9s. But for me although I don't rate often, if its a B&M I'm going to rate it like one, if its an older style ride I'll rate it accordingly, I understand maybe not everyone does this, but I believe most do. Just my opinion ofcourse

Originally posted by CKidd

if its a B&M I'm going to rate it like one, if its an older style ride I'll rate it accordingly

Therein lies the problem. A lot of people on this site rate based on the type of track or train being used. They don't read descriptions when they download. Just because it's using B&M style track and B&M style trains, that doesn't mean it's even supposed to resemble a B&M. Perhaps an addition could be made to the upload form to better clarify for folks downloading coasters what company (if any) it is supposed to resemble.

No I saw one of our younger designers rate a ride that one of my friends and he was kinda harsh when you could tell that the ride was a one that was patterned after a 20's or 30's style ride before computers. I have about 40 hand drafted designs that I finally found and I'm not going to heartline them as they will be based on older times.

Ravenrider, can you please PM me, or any staff member, a link to that file and the rating in question? We can take care of those issues.

I've noticed a lack of older-style rides here in general. Issues like this don't help with that.

Regarding adrenaline ratings, I personally upscore when a ride makes excellent use of speed. While those that don't make great use of speed may still be realistic, they will typically have other elements to make up for that, IMO.

I wish that I would of gotten to experience NL back when it was fun and not about who can create the smoothest, most tooled ride. I started with NL when FVD's came out.

You have inspired me to get out my drafting rule, some grid paper, a compos, and a pencil and make a design for fun. I keep starting projects and not getting that far/quitting because it's not perfect in every way. It's about fun. I honestly had way more fun when i first got into NL and i didn't know about coaster forums, tools, or "perfect" rides that get 10/10's because they have poop tons of theming (see Gaia)

I could open up google layout (virtual grid paper sketching software) but I feel that might take some fun out of it.


Thanks. Hopefully I can start having fun again with my hobby instead of being worried what some 10 year old across the country says about my "non tooled smooth ride" because i'm a noob for not using tools (last part was sarcasm fyi).

I know what you're saying, ravenrider, and I definitely see it. Bobcoaster is a standard example, but I love his rides. He goes so beyond trackwork.

It's just hard to take you as seriously as you want to be taken because of the way youpresent your claim:
...coasters that were "designed before computers," and "they were rough."
..." I for a fact ... have the math computation from the late Bill Cobb."

Maybe you could be a little more explicit or cite some of your claims.

It seems to me that the problem with ratings is not that the older style coasters are being downrated. It's more of the fact that people who are just starting to play with NL are getting ridiculously high ratings because some idiot wants to be nice to them for trying.

Originally posted by Mikey


Rattler had to be re-profiled, rebuilt and trimmed so many times during it's life because of it's violent love affair with gravity. It wasn't uncommon for an entire train of passengers to complain of whiplash.

THIS. I had the unfortunate experience of Rattler being my first coaster. I remember thinking "Why do people ever ride these things?" Now of course, most coasters are so much smoother. It seems these wooden whiplash machines are an extinct species.

As for the ratings: I generally rate based more on just the coaster overall. I learned some of your frustration in a similar way at a dance competition about a year ago. I did a solo that the judges deemed "too adult" and scored me down on it. It's not about what type it is, but how a ride is executed.

Originally posted by KrazyKoasterKid


As for the ratings: I generally rate based more on just the coaster overall. I learned some of your frustration in a similar way at a dance competition about a year ago. I did a solo that the judges deemed "too adult" and scored me down on it. It's not about what type it is, but how a ride is executed.

I feel your pain. In case anyone doesn't believe me about the ratings I'm talking about, look at this upload. http://www.coastercrazy.com/track_exchange/detail/19608

I downloaded and rode this coaster. Was it better than some? Yes. Was it 8.xx material? No. I won't go into the details here, but a couple of morons overrated and left crappy reasons. Same with Gerstl's Taurus. Did it deserve a high 8/ low 9? Absolutely. But people like Phant and Mechanics leave stupidly high ratings with no more of a reason than "i like how it goes fast"

Originally posted by Jcoasters

I wish that I would of gotten to experience NL back when it was fun and not about who can create the smoothest, most tooled ride. I started with NL when FVD's came out.

I could open up google layout (virtual grid paper sketching software) but I feel that might take some fun out of it.

You can still have fun with FVD's though. I made Tour De France in a month's time and it was really fun to just take a step back and create a simple, fun hyper. (For some reason I forgot to release it here, but HERE is the video if anyone cares to take a look.)

People on NL-E downrated it for too pointy hills (which didn't make sense b/c Goliath @ La Ronde) and a too loose lift crest (which also didn't make sense), but I didn't care. It was fun to make a ride that rode decently well, looked good, had a cool video, and wasn't groundbreaking. Still used Newton.

TL;DR - You just gotta not care about the rates. Which, I admit, is really hard to do nowadays. But it just brings the fun back to NoLimits and it was definitely important for me to make a track like that (and G5, and Express 90).

^ The coaster fits the standard of a 9 technical rate IMO but thats why I'm no longer spending time in NL. Have a whole bunch of coasters needing to be finished but everything needs to be done the boring way according to some members so I stopped. Realism is key we all understand that but it already passed that point where if someone actually succeeds in building a 100% accurate recreation, it will get downrated for being too harsh or too mild.

BTW nice soundtrack. Kraftwerk FTW. Now I want to hand build a arrow looper and edit the video with Pink Floyd - On the Run or something.

Originally posted by dj-dj

BTW nice soundtrack. Kraftwerk FTW. Now I want to hand build a arrow looper and edit the video with Pink Floyd - On the Run or something.

Haha yeah, the whole coaster sprouted from just hearing the collection of songs (both the original and the Etape 1,2,3). The colors for the ride came directly from the album cover, and the lift is meant to look like the album cover as well with the blue/white/red scheme. And then there's the logo with obvious nod to the album at the upper left.



I was pretty sure though that only me and A113 liked the soundtrack because I remember people commenting on how it sounded like a porno at the beginning and it made them "uncomfortable". lol Typical NLE-tards.

But yeah, it's good to just take a break.