2013 NoLimits Contest [results pg-4]

I think i can submit a ride, but it is too long:( and making it shorter would mean changing the whole idea of the ride.

I'm pretty much done, just waiting for the deadline.

Originally posted by AmatsuNL

I'm pretty much done, just waiting for the deadline.

So then I am just being impatient?

[Metazoanhaddock]

perhaps, im almost done, i should be uploading today, tomorrow, or the next day

I just looked at the exchange and saw that one person had submitted two different entries. Is that even allowed? I couldn't find any specific rule disallowing it.

I'm sorry for my question being very late.

I built 2 tracks for this contest.

I have already uploaded files, but I am attaching the [NLC] tag to neither of them.
Should I attach a [NLC] tag to only either?

If you can edit the track's title, might as well.
I wonder if having uploaded 2 tracks can be excused by the fact that we already don't have that many entries so far, but I believe hyyyper has the final say on that.

Originally posted by COZY_N

I'm sorry for my question being very late.

I built 2 tracks for this contest.

I have already uploaded files, but I am attaching the [NLC] tag to neither of them.
Should I attach a [NLC] tag to only either?

I attached a [NLC] tag to "Splash of Falls -Suou-" only.

I join in this contest in this track only.

I'm sorry to have caused confusion.

Just posted mine, enjoy.

so now that the deadline is here, how long till we hear about round 2 and who is going

[hyyyper]

Originally posted by highthrills2

so now that the deadline is here, how long till we hear about round 2 and who is going

I can tell you right now that there is not going to be a round two. There are only 7 entries which is too long to justify the effort for another round.

What I can do post the template I had created for Round 2, make it a bit more challenging and upload it so everybody can test their skills on it, but it would be just for fun, no scores or anything.

Wonder if we would still have had enough entries if the deadline was extended until April 30th 2014. I'm curious about the round 2 template you constructed.

im interested in the templete too,
7 enteries can still be taken to round 2, just elimante the bottom 3 and the others move on to round 2.. just a idea

Originally posted by SkyArrow

Wonder if we would still have had enough entries if the deadline was extended until April 30th 2014.

Please don't feel like you have to take that seriously. I was just expressing disappointment, maybe in a melodramatic way.

[Metazoanhaddock]

unfortunately at the last minute i got swamped with work and was unable to finish my entry. ill still be finishing it and uploading it, however, it will not be for the contest

I am very exited to see it. Now you can do 100% great custom side supports!

so when will we see the round 2 template
and hopefully a round 3 n 4

[hyyyper]

Hey guys, I have a question for you all (players and other users). I've now finished about 2/3 of the ratings and I've noticed a lack of lateral forces on some tracks.

In my opinion, lateral forces are, when they are within limits, important to the quality of a wooden coaster experience. It is one of the reasons why I rank Boulder Dash over El Toro.

What is your opinion or personal taste in this? Would you like El Toro more or less if it had proper laterals? Would Boulder Dash or Voyage be just as good if they had no laterals at all?

At the moment, I am deducing points because some tracks do not have high laterals. I do this because I think laterals make a woodie better. I am aware that some contestants went for a certain builder style such as Intamin, but this is not a contest to find out who can mimic a certain builder the best but it is a contest to build the best coaster.

Am I wrong to do this? Are there any of you who hate laterals on wooden coasters?
I'd like to hear your opinion on this before I finalize my ratings.

I think the Voyage would be kinda boring with little/no laterals and not as intense. Even if the Voyage had no laterals, the triple down would still be awesome.
I don't know why people dislike laterals on woodies. They have seat dividers so thin people don't get crushed by their overweight riding partner.
Am I weird for not minding roughness as well?
As for Intamin styles, I think someone with more knowledge of those should answer.

I tend to think that lats are something that should be counted into the adrenaline score (lats add adrenaline) so if it doesn't have it it looses some points there but the only company that doesn't use lats is Intamin and they make up for it with their insane airtime, so it's sort of a give/take in this sort of comp with no specific style in mind. For a general track though if someone says it is specifically meant to be one manufacturer then it should be rated on how it resembles that manufacturer's style.

It seems like there are two main questions you're asking:
1 - Is it okay to deduct points due to lack of laterals?
2 - Do laterals make a wooden coaster better?

Question 1:

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I feel like laterals are one of the things that separate a wooden coaster from a steel coaster, and they are an integral part of the wooden coaster experience. However, that really shouldn't factor into the tech part of the rating - if the goal of the builder was to build an Intamin woodie with no laterals, they should be rated on how well they did so.

I feel like it would be fine to deduct some points for weak laterals in the adrenaline section, though, because laterals very much add to the wooden coaster experience. Lateral Gs add an "out of control" feeling that adds excitement to the ride.

As you said, the contest is "who built the best wooden coaster", and not "who built the best [insert manufacturer] coaster". Some manufacturers are inherently worse than others - they all have their own pros and cons, which distinguishes them, but in general there are definitely certain manufacturers which are overall praised more by the coaster community than others. The different features of each manufacturer do help distinguish the different companies from each other, but sometimes this affects the quality of the ride experience.

tl;dr - Deducting points due to weak laterals is fine because the contest is "who can build the best coaster", not "who can build the most accurate coaster".

Question 2:

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On the topic of whether Intamin woodies would be better with laterals, though, I'm not sure. The absence of laterals is something that really distinguishes Intamin woodies from those made by other companies, and perhaps an Intamin woodie with laterals would just seem like a Gravity Group woodie with stronger airtime but a more controlled experience. I would likely enjoy the ride more, but it might not be a better ride (not sure if that made sense or not).

Boulder Dash and Voyage (especially Voyage), on the other hand, are rides that already have laterals, and make the laterals an important part of the ride and its pacing. Removing the laterals from those rides would likely disrupt the pacing and structure of those rides, and both make them worse rides and rides that I would enjoy less. Boulder Dash's first half and Voyage's second half are separated from the rest of the ride by the presence of laterals, and removing laterals from the ride would just make the whole ride a constant, unvarying experience.

tl;dr - Laterals as a tool to enhance the ride experience (pacing, ride structure, etc) make a ride better. Laterals just for the sake of having laterals may not.

[Oscar]

I wouldn't rate down for lack of lateral ratings. I would judge it based on the overall ride experience. Ask yourself this when riding then, if this ride had more laterals, would it really make it that much better?

If you said "Intamin/RMC" contest, then definitely do not deduct for lats. If you said "wooden coaster", deduct some for lats but keep manufacturers in mind as well. Don't downrate prefabs TOO heavily for lack of lats but keep it in mind.

^RMC actually is pretty heavy on the lats, its just they also do low lat elements with high banking.

Hyyyper, you're talking about my entry and coasterdave's aren't you? hahaha

Adrenaline is a subjective category IMO, so if you think laterals add to the experience of a wooden coaster, then I think it's fine to lower the Adrenaline rating a bit for lack of lats.