Rougarou VALLIES at Cedar Point July 16th!

[TTD03]

Breaking news! Rougarou has vallied at Cedar Point!

Oops......

think if it was still a stand up ouch

[Paradox]

lol rip

[Coasterkidmwm]

That's an odd place for it to valley lol. Easy evac at least.

[Staff]

Wait till the British media gets a hold of this. They'll make it sound like the Antichrist appeared. lol

[Coasterkidmwm]

Wonder if the main brake overbraked it before the train got in completely.

[TTD03]

Coasterkidmwm wrote:

That's an odd place for it to valley lol. Easy evac at least.

I always thought that was a potential valleying spot.

And CK, the ride couldn't have, they removed the friction brakes and put in magnetic all the way till just before the turn. Right before the turn is a few friction brakes still..

The wind must have been as strong as 4 m.p.h. that day. I'm surprised there was even one ride open.

[TTD03]

GerstlCrazy wrote:

The wind must have been as strong as 4 m.p.h. that day. I'm surprised there was even one ride open.

^ Lol.

[Turbo]

much lighter trains have the biggest problem I'm assuming.

[Coasterkidmwm]

TTD03 wrote:

Coasterkidmwm wrote:

That's an odd place for it to valley lol. Easy evac at least.

I always thought that was a potential valleying spot.

And CK, the ride couldn't have, they removed the friction brakes and put in magnetic all the way till just before the turn. Right before the turn is a few friction brakes still..

It historically would valley in the turn after the corkscrew, but that was when the block brake was malfunctioning a couple years ago.

GerstlCrazy wrote:

The wind must have been as strong as 4 m.p.h. that day. I'm surprised there was even one ride open.

Don't quote me on this but I believe Mantis' wind limit was 45mph, which is waaaaaaay higher than most rides there. The joke was always that the rides people hated the most shut down last. It could run in rain too!

And to be fair Raptor is super valley prone if the wind is right.

Also if you're visiting in the future and you're mad about rain, Raptor and Iron Dragon insta-close because they drip rust/oil on riders in the rain.

Huh, that is actually a really strange spot, usually has some half decent speed.

[TTD03]

Turbo wrote:

much lighter trains have the biggest problem I'm assuming.

I think the lighter trains have actually been helping with speed. Since the stand up trains were so heavy, they slowed it down, these trains are lighter, and kept the speed, so this is really strange.

[slosprint]

Did the train stop completely at the MCBR? That's the only reason I can think for this to even come close to a valley.

Surprised to know the ride did get stuck there! As for Rougarou's valleying, I do feel a big difference between the lighter model and the heavier one. Floorless versus Standup.

Edit: NL1 Friction Testing by building a 30m tall hill with a 28m drop.

Floorless: 1 car - 52mph
Floorless: 8 cars per train - 51mph

Standup: 1 car - 52mph
Standup: 8 cars per train - 51mph

at least another train didn't crash into it, like on the smiler.

[mkingy]

TTD03 wrote:

Turbo wrote:

much lighter trains have the biggest problem I'm assuming.

I think the lighter trains have actually been helping with speed. Since the stand up trains were so heavy, they slowed it down, these trains are lighter, and kept the speed, so this is really strange.

No because physics. Heavy trains have more momentum and thus are harder to stop. Try stopping a ball bearing going at 5mph and a boulder. Hopefully just before you are crushed to death you will understand that heavier objects are harder to stop. For less painful comparison think about how long it takes a lorry to stop when compared with a car. Maybe make that a European car - you American's practically drive lorries around.

The smaller surface area would mean less wind resistance and would help the speed of the train. That may or may not be outweighed by the lighter trains however.

Yeah, I am of the opinion that these marginally lighter floorless trains would probably be a bit more likely to valley. I'm still a little surprised though. *Right* at the very end lol.

mkingy wrote:

TTD03 wrote:

Turbo wrote:

much lighter trains have the biggest problem I'm assuming.

I think the lighter trains have actually been helping with speed. Since the stand up trains were so heavy, they slowed it down, these trains are lighter, and kept the speed, so this is really strange.

No because physics. Heavy trains have more momentum and thus are harder to stop. Try stopping a ball bearing going at 5mph and a boulder. Hopefully just before you are crushed to death you will understand that heavier objects are harder to stop. For less painful comparison think about how long it takes a lorry to stop when compared with a car. Maybe make that a European car - you American's practically drive lorries around.

The smaller surface area would mean less wind resistance and would help the speed of the train. That may or may not be outweighed by the lighter trains however.

I forgot you guys call what we call "trucks" "lorries" . But yes, you're correct about that little physics lesson. I think the lighter trains played some sort of a role in this, and it probably came to a dead stop at the MCBR; that's the only way I could see it going that slow enough to valley

NL physics are more questioning because the lighter cars obviously get way faster than the heavier ones do, specially in loops, when they drop from the same height.

[TTD03]

mkingy wrote:

TTD03 wrote:

Turbo wrote:

much lighter trains have the biggest problem I'm assuming.

I think the lighter trains have actually been helping with speed. Since the stand up trains were so heavy, they slowed it down, these trains are lighter, and kept the speed, so this is really strange.

No because physics. Heavy trains have more momentum and thus are harder to stop. Try stopping a ball bearing going at 5mph and a boulder. Hopefully just before you are crushed to death you will understand that heavier objects are harder to stop. For less painful comparison think about how long it takes a lorry to stop when compared with a car. Maybe make that a European car - you American's practically drive lorries around.

The smaller surface area would mean less wind resistance and would help the speed of the train. That may or may not be outweighed by the lighter trains however.

I must have misunderstood before, you are very correct

[Mikey]

So who forgot to tighten the friction kit down to spec? Because that's how you get vallies.

This may sound a little bit stupid, but can the real coaster change the friction level, like NL's "improve friction"?

[mkingy]

I'm sure Mikey will be able to further explain / correct me on this but the friction is based on a number of parameters when the trains are constructed and set up. I imagine that these may include:

• Wheel type/specification/age
• Bearings type/specification/age
• The friction kit being correctly maintained (I'm not sure exactly what this comprises of - I'd guess something to do with tightening the gear around the wheels to ensure they run smoothly - Mikey care to elaborate?)

[Coasterkidmwm]

Mikey wrote:

So who forgot to tighten the friction kit down to spec? Because that's how you get vallies.

Yeah I figured something was up because a "it's too cold/windy" valley is going to be right after the corkscrew on that ride where it enters the high turn.