Cedar Point 2016- Valravn

[yoshifreak]

deere839 wrote:

I say that's fake looking at those pictures

I'd be very surprised if these turn out to be falsified. The logo is incredibly high quality for something fan made, and the coaster images don't seem to be from any coaster simulator I know of. The app has been hacked by multiple sources, with all reporting the same details as well. It's possible it could be some sort of rough draft or mock-up, but I'd be shocked if the final product is much different. I guess it's not confirmed until the park releases the info...

Seems fake to me.

^ I'll take your word! I know that a plenty of "free" coaster apps are designed to trick us!

[yoshifreak]

Also for what it's worth:

The Cedar Point banner below this logo:



Matches the banner on the official media invite:



The app has also now been removed from the google app store as of an hour ago.

wait until the ride is complete till we know what its aucually like because ive seen a lot of the animation lately changing as it gets closer to opening

^...only one animation is made. I personally buy it, that logo is way too high quality to be fanmade. The pictures of the track in the app is definitely not the animation, probably a rough draft or something. On announcement day there will certainly be a high quality 3DVIP rendering

[Metazoanhaddock]

deere839 wrote:

wait until the ride is complete till we know what its aucually like because ive seen a lot of the animation lately changing as it gets closer to opening

Why the hell would we wait until the ride is complete to know what it looks like when layout blueprints and 3d renderings are available? As for animation changes, there won't be many, I assume this is all 3DVIP's work done in 3ds max the same way all cedar fair renderings are done. The only changes I could see happening to the rendering would be quality improvements. As far as basic layout goes, I assume the rendering is spot on (as they usually are) sooooo yeah....

Don't know what you're smoking...

The rendering will probably be dead-accurate, including the transitions and banking. McVeen usually makes measurements by perspective and uses percentages to bank the track so it's almost always accurate. No reason to wait a whole year to see what it's like when you can just see an exact virtual model in 10 days .

^Also we'll likely never see the blueprints (I wish they would make NL recreations way easier), so all that's available is the promotional material.

I hate leaks like this. It's a real slap in the face to Tony and Co, who should be able to make the impact they want when they're ready.

This looks real to me.

[Metazoanhaddock]

Coaster Hero wrote:

The rendering will probably be dead-accurate, including the transitions and banking. McVeen usually makes measurements by perspective and uses percentages to bank the track so it's almost always accurate. No reason to wait a whole year to see what it's like when you can just see an exact virtual model in 10 days .

^Also we'll likely never see the blueprints (I wish they would make NL recreations way easier), so all that's available is the promotional material.

My mistake with my wording, I'm not talking about actual blueprints which are detailed to the point of having each and every individual bolt labeled, I'm talking about a simple overhead view of the layout, or a perspective view of the layout, which in most cases is usually released as promo material.

[Coasterkidmwm]

So an image was leaked online showing the supposed layout that I won't be posting here and I recommend others don't.

I'm suspecting it's fake because I don't see why you'd add the ride logo to a mock-up or test animation, and the footers have varying heights implying terrain that the park just doesn't have.

Then again it could have looked odd because of perspective.

BTW the logo is obviously something epic!

After seeing more of the leaked layout and the logo, I'm going to change my mind and say that it's real.

On another note, I heard a rumor that Valravn might have 8-across seating and could possibly use the newer-style restraints (like the ones on Gatekeeper). That might be interesting, but I'm a little doubtful of the new restraint rumor because the two dive machines that opened in Europe this year still use the old restraints.

[Coasterkidmwm]

A bunch of people were "100% sure" Rougarou was going to use the vest restraints prior to the announcement as well, and we all know it doesn't lol.

If these are real, I'm really looking forward to the action in the second half. Dive loops are awesome, that zero G looks pretty low and tight, the helix will be strong, and hopefully the airhill has air.

[Paradox]

Manic Monte wrote:

I hate leaks like this. It's a real slap in the face to Tony and Co, who should be able to make the impact they want when they're ready.

THIS! Enthusiasts leaking things are one thing that I absolutely despise. Not only is it bad for the park, but it is also bad for everyone who could actually wait one week more for the announcement.

Also announcements are just more fun than seeing a leaked layout.

^I totally agree with you and Monte. Imagine how hard people work to do creative things like this and try to achieve build-up. Sad if this was the actual layout. It mainly just takes the fun out of it.

That being said, I'm currently on the doubtful side about that layout being the genuine one right now. I fully expected more than the everyday dive-immelman-mcbr sequence from a place like CP lol. Also, observe that the second half of this layout basically mimics GateKeeper's final sequence; left dive loop, clockwise roll, left helix, small air hill, climbing left turn into brakes. It's almost identical. So that makes it seem even less believable to me.

[Paradox]

GerstlCrazy wrote:

^I totally agree with you and Monte. Imagine how hard people work to do creative things like this and try to achieve build-up. Sad if this was the actual layout. It mainly just takes the fun out of it.

Just imagine if something like Thunderbird or Lightning Rod was leaked ~1 week before the announcement. It would ruin all of the hype. I was really mad when I saw the Phobia rendering the day before the announcement. Totally killed all of my hype.

I also agree that the layout looks very sub-par. Even at this point I'm still not sold on the dive coaster. At the end of the day all of this is just speculation as none of us have solid proof or evidence that CP is in fact getting a dive coaster.

Also I doubt CP would "accidentally" release an app like that. Tony Clark really knows what we enthusiasts are thinking and teases based on that. Remember last year when we all thought Mean Streak would be RMC'd and he posted a picture of a guy in an RMC shirt standing near Mean Streak and observing it?

Paradox wrote:

GerstlCrazy wrote:

^I totally agree with you and Monte. Imagine how hard people work to do creative things like this and try to achieve build-up. Sad if this was the actual layout. It mainly just takes the fun out of it.

Just imagine if something like Thunderbird or Lightning Rod was leaked ~1 week before the announcement. It would ruin all of the hype. I was really mad when I saw the Phobia rendering the day before the announcement. Totally killed all of my hype.

I also agree that the layout looks very sub-par. Even at this point I'm still not sold on the dive coaster. At the end of the day all of this is just speculation as none of us have solid proof or evidence that CP is in fact getting a dive coaster.

Also I doubt CP would "accidentally" release an app like that. Tony Clark really knows what we enthusiasts are thinking and teases based on that. Remember last year when we all thought Mean Streak would be RMC'd and he posted a picture of a guy in an RMC shirt standing near Mean Streak and observing it?

Actually, almost all of the info on Lightning Rod was leaked the day before the announcement. I wasn't surprised at all, because all the stats I saw I already knew. The only thing that surprised me is the look of it.

Thunderbird's announcement was 1000x better because we had no clue what it was. I will never forget how me and like 3 other people guessed correctly against everyone saying a launched wingrider was ridiculous. Good times.

Honestly CF needs to do a better job of keeping shut on their projects. We knew everything about Fury 325 a long time before it was announced, we know about Vortex getting the Rougarou treatment, we already know about Carowinds' Waterpark expansion (thanks to Carowinds basically giving out the answer), and we already know basically everything this dive coaster will do, which would confirm that I believe the animation is real. Six Flags on the other hand is doing a pretty good job keeping shut other than Roar, but that's because history is repeating itself and we've seen this many times. For example although a 4D Free Spin is rumored for Gadv, we still have no concept of what's going in the lakeshore.

If everyone else is talking about the same high-res all white track leaked render, I believe it's real. It's exactly the same as the low res version (which, by the way is low quality so it can be used for VR on phones at an actually decent framerate). The first half, though uninspired seems exactly what B&M would do on this coaster. The second half is original but still very feasible and possible. Most fakes have an obvious egregious flaw that makes people toss them out immediately but I don't see anything very unrealistic with this one. If this is a fake then it's the most well made fake I've ever seen. Finally, I'd love if they went with the 8-across cars with the vests over the 10-across cars with the OTSR's because I personally think that B&M's OTSRs are horribly placed surrounding your head, which allows for a lot of headbanging on older coasters. I'd definitely wait a little longer in line if it's for a better and more comfortable ride experience (here's to hoping that their vests don't lock and crush your lungs!)

Coaster Hero wrote:

Thunderbird's announcement was 1000x better because we had no clue what it was. I will never forget how me and like 3 other people guessed correctly against everyone saying a launched wingrider was ridiculous. Good times.

I remember this... nobody believed us

[mkingy]

Metazoanhaddock wrote:

deere839 wrote:

wait until the ride is complete till we know what its aucually like because ive seen a lot of the animation lately changing as it gets closer to opening

The only changes I could see happening to the rendering would be quality improvements. As far as basic layout goes, I assume the rendering is spot on (as they usually are) sooooo yeah....

Lets be fair here - Wicked Cyclone changed from its animation and Maverick changed before it was opened. I think you're being a little harsh on Deere.

[Metazoanhaddock]

mkingy wrote:

Metazoanhaddock wrote:

deere839 wrote:

wait until the ride is complete till we know what its aucually like because ive seen a lot of the animation lately changing as it gets closer to opening

The only changes I could see happening to the rendering would be quality improvements. As far as basic layout goes, I assume the rendering is spot on (as they usually are) sooooo yeah....

Lets be fair here - Wicked Cyclone changed from its animation and Maverick changed before it was opened. I think you're being a little harsh on Deere.

If you really wanna play this game then let's go.

A: This is *likely* 3dVIP's work which has proven to be spot-on for renderings in the past.
B: WC was not 3dVIP's work, I believe it was work done by someone on the rmc team and therefore I was on the fence about the accuracy of certain sections in that animation to begin with (it wasn't anywhere NEAR this kind of quality)
C: The Maverick change happened AFTER the track had been built true to the rendering (or in this case it may have just been blueprints, but the point remains that this ride (much like I305) was fully built and running before any changes happened) so to say the rendering is inaccurate would itself be an inaccurate statement as the ride was built to those specifications at a certain point in time.

^Precisely. The only capacity in which a B&M has changed from animation/promotion to realization is in color (Silver Bullet, et al) and train type (Rougarou 18 years after the fact). Renders for B&Ms, especially from Cedar Fair/3dVIP, are not going change at all with respect to the coaster itself.

As for the leaked renders, given that the park has sent cardboard VR viewers to media outlets, I can only assume that what we've seen so far is an accurate version of the layout and we'll see the polished versions in a little over a week.

^I like you

[mkingy]

Metazoanhaddock wrote:

mkingy wrote:

Lets be fair here - Wicked Cyclone changed from its animation and Maverick changed before it was opened. I think you're being a little harsh on Deere.

If you really wanna play this game then let's go.

A: This is *likely* 3dVIP's work which has proven to be spot-on for renderings in the past.
B: WC was not 3dVIP's work, I believe it was work done by someone on the rmc team and therefore I was on the fence about the accuracy of certain sections in that animation to begin with (it wasn't anywhere NEAR this kind of quality)
C: The Maverick change happened AFTER the track had been built true to the rendering (or in this case it may have just been blueprints, but the point remains that this ride (much like I305) was fully built and running before any changes happened) so to say the rendering is inaccurate would itself be an inaccurate statement as the ride was built to those specifications at a certain point in time.

My point was that to the fairly young coaster enthusiast his reasoning isn't out of the world given other occurrences. I never stated whether I thought these plans were fake or not - just that you were being a bit harsh on Deere by jumping down his throat.