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What would Make B&M coasters Better[?]

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P.S. If You don't know what EMPS are they are:
Electro-Magnetic Pulsing Systems or More Simply Boosters[^]

They need more than just a new type of ride I mean the higher diving machine is great and 4-D is Great(I bet they'd be ultra smooth and comfortable)and even EMPS but no single thing is the solution so I put none of the above.[approve]

Well, B&Ms suck so bad they need tons of things to make them better. First of all, AIRTIME! Their coasters really lack that, which that problem alone makes their coasters unexciting and tame. The smoothness of the track puts me to sleep also - not good on a coaster [;)] I think that the layouts are boring and not inspiring that much, and the drops are so tame that the first drop on B&Ms are not more intense one bit than the drop out of the station - im serious. You don't really feel speed on a B&M also. On Nitro it felt like 40 mph MAX, when Silver Comet @ MFI only goes in the 50's and it feels much faster than Nitro with the headchoppers and small airtime filled hills, along with insane rib crushing lateral turns. B&Ms would have to be almost completely different for them to be great.

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None of the above, because, they are already doing 4-D's aren't they, or there are big rumors around a certain park, erm, i think its port aventura, cant remember, but its rumored they are building a B&M 4-D coaster for 2005, no idea whether that is true, but i waould like to see that anyways, but i was thinking they could design a completely new type of ride, something really radical, like nothing we've ever seen before.

well, here i have to agree with IF397 with everything he said except for one. I think coasters are better when they are smooth. I hate rough coasters. i'm not saying hate wild coasters, just like them smooth. But other than that, I 100% agree with IF397 here.

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None of the above, because, they are already doing 4-D's aren't they, or there are big rumors around a certain park

Yes They Were Doing a 4-d Model @ Port Aventura
But they coulden't Afford it, so they're building A floorless
coaster With a layout like medusa @ sfga[V] still in 05',the park's 10th birthday

I would say B&Ms need some excitement and intensity. They are very well engineered, as in no headbanging, but very poorly designed in my opinion. Most B&Ms don't give me much of a thrill at all. Coasters are more then sitting in the exact same position the whole ride, which is all you do on a B&M. Also I think that 4 across seating is one of the worst things to happen to coasters, as the middle people not in the front seat have no view at all.

EMP's

lmfao, best idea ever. Seriously dude, do you actualy know anything about elctro magnetic pulse's. If you used that on a coaster, it wouldnt just blow up all the electric's on the ride but most of the electric in the city.
The word you were looking for was more LIM coasters Linear Syncronised Motors.
Imo theres nothing wrong with the B&M coasters. There characteristic smoothness and lack of airtime is trademark of B&M although some coasters do have quite alot of airtime, and also you cant really say Nemesis is forceless [;)]

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*Linear Induction Motor

it is actually linear synchronous induction motors as a full name, but the abrieviated name stands for linear induction motors, but i suppose that you could still call them linear synchronous motors.

B&M are a good company and i like their coasters. I personally HATE lateral g's. One time i rode a wild mouse coaster and i stupidly had my arms raised on one of the turns, i thought it broke my rib, its just too painful. The b&m coasters at my park have airtime on them, goergia scorcher and superman ultimate flight. Batman the ride has mega positive g's and is very fun. I admit you feel nothing on the drop of superman ultimate flight, but the pretzel loop makes up for that[:D]. IMO, b&m coasters are fine, the one thing i hate is when they clone them so much instead of making a different design, thats how they can improve, make different designs

Lateral gs aren't painful unless theres over 2 lats or the trains suck, but since you like B&Ms a lot I can see why you wouldn't want intensity like that when riding a coaster [:p]

S:UF doesn't have airtime, it has 0 gs, and that really isn't anything on a steel coaster. You can only feel the air with 0 gs on a woodie. The Pretzel loop on it is really cool, but since the rest of the ride is no more exciting or intense than sitting in front of my computer typing this, I don't find it to be a great coaster at all.

B:TR has some nice positives, but almost every other loop on a B&M is nothing. If you want great positive g loops, ride an Arrow Megalooper or a Schwarzy, they're better than any B&M.

Personally I've enjoyed the B&M's i've been on...even if some of them are "forceless" think about the alternatives: SLC instead of inverted? Even intamin Inverted don't seem that great...And most arrow's will fall appart after a few years, look how many mega loopers have gone, and will go in the next few years (Shockwave, Orient Express...).
The only thing i despise are their Hypers/Speed Coasters...After riding Expedition GeForce (proof that you CAN feel airtime on a steel-coaster;)), Silver Star and Raging Bull just seem like kiddy-rides.
Also, I highly doubt the rumors of a B&M 4d were very believable, as they'd need a whole new track (most likely), which G-Tec doesn't fabricate. Although there ARE different track-gauges, and even if B&M wanted to do something very unique (not one of their trademarks), i doubt that G-Tec would be willing to fabricate an entire new track-system, as they are independent from B&M.

I've heard many good things about Intamin Inverteds. Their heartlines pull way more negative gs than the B&M zero-g rolls, and they are also more intense than B&M inverteds.

I didn't say that you can't feel airtime on steel coasters [:P] I said you can't feel 0 gs on a steelie. Expedition GeForce has some of the best negative gs on any coaster in the world, somewhere around -1g, but you can't feel the AIR, only the negative g, because you are stapled in. I do completely agree that Silver Star and Raging Bull, along with all the other B&M hypers aren't anymore intense than a kiddy ride though.

I still stand by what I said earlier, that a coaster is more then a scenic ride. I enjoy B&Ms alot, but the truth is, that I could sleep through most of them, because they just have so little force. Some of that is probably because I have ridden quite a few coasters now though. I used to like B&Ms alot, back when I had only ridden 20 or 30 coasters, but now, I have ridden so many better coasters, they just don't do anything for me. Arrow megaloopers, even with their somewhat roughness, actually have some force and heavy G involved. Most B&Ms don't exceed 3.5G, and none have anything past 0g airtimewise. Come on, Scooby Doo @ pkd has that much force. Having ridden 2 intamin hypers, being SROS@SFNE and SROS@SFA, and Magnum, the B&M hyper I have ridden, being Apollos Wheelchair(my dad made that up) really is about as exciting as this chair. Yes it has airtime, but its the little miniture float stuff that really doesn't deserve to be called air.

About Inverts, I have ridden numerous SLCs, numerous B&Ms, and 1 Intamin. The Intamin is by far the best of the bunch, that being Volcano. It has upwards of 4.5 gs coming out of the top of the mountain, and almost -1g on the heartline rolls. None of this zero G sissyness(no offense). The one SLC that doesn't hurt, that being Hangman@Wild Adventures, is more exciting then every B&M invert I have ridden, including Raptor, Montu, and Alpengiest.

Now I am not saying that B&M coasters are bad rides, I am saying that they arent intense at all, and don't give me any thrill. Still fun coasters. *cough*except Mantis*cough*

u people r so dumb. b&m makes the best coasters around and the only reason they clone so many of them is because the park wants that ride, not because b&m doesn't want to design more ride layouts. I mean, look at vekoma, none of their coasters work, and the ones that do are rougher than poop, unlike b&m, which is reliable and also creats a very good ride. My favorite ride is raptor, and im sure none of u have riddent it since u dont seem to like b&m very much, b/c right now, i think they r probably making the most money of any coaster company except maybe vekoma w/ their POS boomerangs.

I have ridden raptor at least once every time I have been to CP. I think its fun, but I still wouldnt make the drive up there for it by any means. I actually was enligntened to what vekoma CAN do. The SLC at Wild Adventures has air cushons, so no headbanging, and without the pain, the SLC is quite a fun ride. And if you are stuck on inverted coasters, ride Volcano. Negative G, Positive G, lateral G, yes, shorter then most B&Ms, but still quite a bit more exciting. And the Vekoma flyers are so far superior. Someone said something about Arrow coasters falling apart? That is one of the funniest things I have heard in a long while. Out of all the arrow coasters I have ridden, which is quite a few now, I have yet to see one mechanical breakdown. Arrow caosters are so simply built and have so old techonology, that they are basically the most reliable and sturdy thing out there. Some of them did give quite a headbang now and then, but with talent , one can avoid those few rough spots.

Honestly, its all opinion on what we like and dislike, but if you think that the best there is is B&M, then theres alot more fun to be had on caosters then your having. I don't wanna sound mean here or anything, but theres a whole world of amazing rides your missing out on man.

I too have been on Raptor and I liked it, probably one of the better B&M coasters around. But I have also been on other B&M's and have liked them, but it's no really great thrill. I just think there are more intense rides around then B&M ones.

IF397 zero-g roll, hence zero g

Their heartlines pull way more negative gs than the B&M zero-g rolls, and they are also more intense than B&M inverteds.

cedarpointrules i think the only dumb person here would be you, and i dont think ill have to back that up

i put none of the above because there coasters are already great,and to ceaderpointrules- do u work for B&M or somthing?

Ceaderpointrules, first off you dont need to be calling any one dumb, and EVERYONE is entitled to his or her own opinion. Some feel b&m is a good company, others dont, and you REALLY dont need to make assumptions about people cause right now there are about 10 assumptions i can make about you but i wont post them because this is supposed to be a respectable forum, i respect your opinion but you need to start respecting others and DONT call anyone anything they are not![:(!]

hehe, you tell em rctycoon112. I agree w/ rct tho, ur entitled to ur own opinion

B&M could use the same track gauge as oblivion to do a 4d coaster,
I really would like to see more 4D coaster having ridden X last year
(yes I know it's Arrow) I have to say it's one of the most imaginative
coasters I have been on!. B&M are ok having ridden quite a few of them now I find them to samey! they need to invent some new inversions
or put inversion like 45 loop(stand up) on say an inverted!.

Owen

UK

i would say 4-d, simply because B&Ms are so smooth that if they came up with a 4-d model it would be much more enjoyable than intamin's design

the only thing that can make a b&m coaster better is origionality!!! all their rides are clones! also, the only seat on one of their rides where you can get a view is the front row. they need better trains so you can see.