Some IMHO unfair ratings

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I think there are a couple of unfair ratings on Megablast (by Buster), Midgard Serpent and Thalys (both made by me).

It seems once a coaster surpasses a certain average rating score mark, say 9.x points, that member is making unfair, noticeable under-average ratings while on other coasters he does not.

Can you check it out?

http://www.coastercrazy.com/track_exchang ... p?tid=3497
http://www.coastercrazy.com/track_exchang ... p?tid=3934
http://www.coastercrazy.com/track_exchang ... p?tid=2902

i really don't see anything wrong with any of those ratings there.

People here are entitled to thier own opinions and dont have to rate on the average score. All your saying thier is everyone should rate your coaster 9 just because thats the average...sure is stupid (reminds me of other sites) Plus an average rate is 6. My rate was 7-8's so im not sure what your complaining about...

[Oscar]

since you're the one in question edge, I have unlocked and going to evaluate but a quick glance shows above average ratings with even a rating by matt on one of them lower than edge's so I have to decide whether this is targeted at one person since you could have pointed the other person out too.

I dont rate on 3d work, unlike everyone else seems to do. 3ds are an optional extra which newbies seem to rate, hence your coasters are rated so high. I personaly see through the 3ds and see the tracks for what they are. I find the tracks sometimes boring mainly unoriginal so what. As said the ratings arent below average and i stick to my own rating guidelines. I refuse to rate high just because everyone else has. I dont even read the other replys, i rate the track how i think it should be rated and give details on whats wrong. I also dont rate coasters high just because a track is made by a certain member.

[Oscar]

put a cork in it edge, I am rather busy now, will solve this matter later today ro tonight.

Originally posted by The Edge

I dont rate on 3d work, unlike everyone else seems to do. 3ds are an optional extra which newbies seem to rate, hence your coasters are rated so high. I personaly see through the 3ds and see the tracks for what they are.

Remember the "me and cs.com" issue?, lol, that was funny, but i think we have the same opinion for this one edge. hansixx, here is my opinion: You make good coasters, smooth and all, but not perfect. Nothing is and never will be perfect. Continually, if someone rates a 7.5, thats above an average, 5, so, your getting good rates all around. I get alot of bad rates on some of my coasters but I dont complain. everyone is entitled to an opinion on this site. If the opinoin is definetely above average, there is almost never a Overrate issue with you and others (dont mean to point you out specifically, theres others), yet as soon as there is an underate, BAM, thers a prob. I urge everyone to read this over and think about not complaining only when the opinoin is too low, rather than too high.

I am with Edge, and don't rate on 3DS. For me, 3DS don't mean shite towards the end rate, they add nothing. They're just for beautification to make people go ga-ga over it and therefore automatically getting a first impression of a fooking awesome coaster. Which is what all of your coasters are, Hansixx. All beauty, no skill. You build them big, your segments are HUGE, therefore increasing the smoothness of the ride, but showing no skill in the placement of nodes. I really don't see what was so special about Thalys or Midgard Serpent, honestly. Woohoo, a big coaster with some nice supports (used the auto-flanger, I'm assuming), but that's all. Big segments, fast speed, its all just an illusion. Same with Midgard, just slap some hugging terrain and inversions and there you have it. I'm sorry, but maybe I'm just longing for the golden days of NL, where everything required SKILL. Not all auto-this auto-that. You had to take time to do supports and smoothing the track. Now there's just a little program for everything. Call me biased, say my opinion means nothing, but I look for skill and love for the game, and that is something alot of people lack these days.

[Kev]

I told myself not to post in this thread, but oh well.

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Doesn't look like big segments to me. Did you even look at it in the editor? You guys are free to have your opinion, and yes, I think the rating in question should stay because it is HIS opinion, and he explained his reasons well enough. I think his opinions are wrong though, but that's just MY opinion. [:)]

[Oscar]

no offense but large segments, due to nl's update that took SM's idea, can brake down segments down into very tiny pieces and remain in tact in movement from the large original piece so what you see there can be accomplished easily, then just work on banking each node accordingly.

So I stand corrected on the Thalys with big segments comment.

WWS proves the perfect point as to how he got it that way, however. Still does not impress me, really. :-\

[Kev]

The point about the split segment tool is well taken. I use it a lot too, now that it finally works. But I still can't make a coaster as smooth as Hansixx. My opinion is that he's VERY skilled at NL, and I've learned a lot from looking at his coasters.

First of all I don't think The Edge's rating is that unfair either. It wouldn't be te score I would give it because I only agree on his G issue on Hansixx' recent track. However you are making a fuss about overrated 3ds, but Thalys only included a themed station so I don't think that would boost the points a lot when it comes to newbies.

When I rate a track which features a lot of 3ds, like Buster's megablast for example I do look at the 3ds. Because sometimes a track is just meant to go side by side with the 3ds. I know not everyone can do 3ds, but if you can you can make a choice between making a themed track or a non themed track.
Thalys is just a normal track with some additional theming, if you take away the 3ds, the experience would be almost the same. So I don't think you can accuse members of overrating 3ds in this case.

I do agree with Hansixx that you always seem to rate the top rated tracks down, which is a bit weird. Anyway, like already has been stated in this topic, everyone has their own opinion. Since the rating is pretty well explained in this case I also think it should stay.

For the future I think we should handle over- and underratings more structured.

[Oscar]

Comment By The Edge on 05/05/2004 ( 62.253.32.4 )
Good ride, but when looked at in more detail it has some issues. The biggest of these is the intense periods of high g's for several seconds at a time. After the first drop the turn maintained 5.1 for several seconds. This would cause 90% of the riders to black out, this issues was also on several other helixs with 4.1 g for a long time towards the end. The layout is self wasnt overly original just really the first hill, with that awsome aitrime. The rest of the ride was nothing special and started to get a bit dull towards the end. Supports were good but imo the first hill looked kinda ugly(not that im deducting for that) One or two bumps also, nothing too majour though. Also i may add i feel the track was way over supported in some places, it had support literaly every 2ft but again not that im deducting
Technical: 7 Adrenaline: 8 Originality/Acc.: 7 Average: 7.33

no mention of 3ds in his rates.
the issue here is that the rating is fairly well explain. It makes me look at other ratings and ask my self if this rating which is somewhat well explain be removed and leave the unexplained 10's? I mean such as this one:

Comment By thecool326 on 05/03/2004 ( 24.126.96.172 )
Lol, this is perfect, I luv the signs, and I also luv the station. They helped the ride seem like it actually existed, I couldn't have lost to a better track. There isn't much to say that was wrong about this ride. This is in my all time favorites, and by far, I think it is your best track!!!
Technical: 10 Adrenaline: 10 Originality/Acc.: 10 Average: 10.00

stated there wasn't much to say what was wrong with the ride, of course implying there was something wrong, so why the 10-10-10? totally unwarranted by the comments then thus should be removed in my opinion. or:

Comment By RCTfansMal818 on 05/04/2004 ( 66.42.118.17 )
This could be the #1 coaster this week. Good job! I like it! Really cool station! More excitement, more intensity, more nausea, more FUN!
Technical: 9 Adrenaline: 9 Originality/Acc.: 9.5 Average: 9.17

says it could be #1 for the week, says good job, and says more of everything, clearly unclear. does he want more of that in it or does it provide more than the others? Another one that should be deleted. or:

Comment By lifeson on 05/04/2004 ( 66.56.44.12 )
Definitely toke one before you ride this puppy! Hansixx, That was one hell of a ride!"As I stumble off the ride thinking..nice workout too for the brain" WOW,WHOA and WHEW! Totally radsky mon! Oh one more thing....Can someone from maintenance retrieve my sunglasses at the bottom of the small lake please? LOL!
Technical: 10 Adrenaline: 10 Originality/Acc.: 10 Average: 10.00

just a long rant about sunglasses or:

Comment By GRIM on 05/05/2004 ( 12.175.214.182 )
yet another perfect ride by hansixx!!!!!! congrads, this is my favorite coaster by you. keep on uploadin'!!!!!

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Technical: 10 Adrenaline: 10 Originality/Acc.: 9.5 Average: 9.83

yes an unperfect score, nor comments to state why he liked it so much. a mistake on the commenter which thus such mistake that benefits hansixx should be removed. and others on other coasters....
The main point is this one is below average and has detailed comments and come into play the ones that fall on the average of the ride yet no comlain are made by those, which they should as they are not detailed enough.
See what I mean?

I completely agree with WWS.

About the segments, yes, you can split them, but there IS skill involved. Hansixx's track has extremely low lateral gs, each track segment on the turns are split so that the lateral gs are as close to 0 as possible, which is something that should be achienved on most steel coasters, espiacally one of this style. Also, you aren't absolutely sure that he even used all long segments then split them, of course its obvious that there are many split segments, but he could've used smaller segments in a certain area in order to achieve certain track shaping. Thus saying that it takes no skill because the segments are huge is completely invalid.

Hansixx, by the way, do you use that prugatorium thing for your turns to keep low lats? By the way, to KoolCJ, Hansixx custom-flanged Thalys for the most-part, not using the auto-flanger.

Staff edit: please stay on topic, or stay out of the discussion

[coolbeans326]

how can some one explain when they don't feel that nothing is wrong with the track??? What are we suppose to explain??? It was really exciting, so I gave you a ten in adrenaline, it was really smooth and well built, so I gave you a ten in technical, it was nothing like I've ever seen before, so I gave you a 10 in Originality. That should already be self explanatory when you give someone tens. Any wyas, Wat are you guys complaining about, there's nothing wrong with the raitings, and your still gonna get a gold medal on your track, more than likely, It's a good ride, now be happy and stop complaining.

[Oscar]

ok I have gone through this and my decision is to leave the rating. Why because if I delete it, then I will be compelled to go back and delete all unexplained rates. Moreover I am leaving it because it is well explained. I also know the threat that was made if it was left and this goes to everyone: I am not one to be coerced, just because one rating is rated more in depth and came out less than average of your other ratings on there which most of them are just bs anyway according to the comments. Plus I don't see the grounds for your threat, if you want to leave fine, you're getting the shiny medal anyway. But my decision is that, I am not giving into coercion as what GFA told me you would do if it was left there.
WWS

Come on guys, a rating is a rating is a rating, what's the point in complaining unless it is so rude, and unexplained that something needs to be done? Opinions vary between every builder, it's just the view point every one is viewing it from; I do believe hansixx worked hard on his ride, i've been riding his rides sense CS, and his work can be outstanding, now don't get me wrong, not every single coaster released is the top of the chain, but alot of them are, the way he chooses to construct his rides is none of our business, you download, ride the ride give an opinion, if the ride is smooth, rideable etc, but it's his coaster, some people choose to use tiny segments, some choose big, some chose a average size.. but why should we care?.... but speaking of The Edges rating, i think it's honest, and well explained, just because you get 9s from most, doesn't mean every one is going to give it a 9; i could most certainly understand Hansixx's curiosity in the rate, but shouldn't have complained; in my opinion this should, and could be handled in pm; no i'm not the boss around here, but i feel that complaining, and judging how some one constructs their rides is pointless, only time you should judge segment length in my opinion is if your recreating just my opinion on things.[:)]

Ratings are opinions, opinions vary from person to person. There can be a general opinion, but if everyone opinion is the same, it would suck.