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Post July 8th, 2004, 6:36 pm

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I just thought of this while I was in the bathroom. B&M inverted floorless standups??? Don't think that would work, would it?

Post July 8th, 2004, 7:07 pm

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well, you cant really have a standup without a floor, unless all you stood on was too little shoe shaped platforms.
the cars would also have to be extremely strong to be hung from the track like that

I could see an inverted standup coaster, but not a floorless one

Post July 8th, 2004, 8:13 pm

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well a floorless inverted coaster would basicly be just like a normal inverted coaster with a bit less of the seat. Also the idea of a Stand-Up inverted coaster has been thought up by about everyone now, so dont think its a new idea [;)] Also a floorless inverted coaster would be extremly painful i imagine for a man, espiecaly through a high g turn as your slammed into the seat with nothing to push up against

Post July 8th, 2004, 9:29 pm
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My idea would be to have a multi-coaster, a coaster with trains that run inverted and above the track and are connected! You know what I mean? Then the supports would be connected directly in the middle. Well it is just an idea!

Post July 8th, 2004, 10:26 pm

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I think it would need to be too strong.

well, you cant really have a standup without a floor, unless all you stood on was too little shoe shaped platforms.
the cars would also have to be extremely strong to be hung from the track like that

I could see an inverted standup coaster, but not a floorless one


some of those vertical drop towers are like that. But you're right. Preventing lateral g's would be hard to design.

BTW, I have a question. Why does the 4d coaster X have track problems??? I think it's because of the design. I mean, it's like a huge mother-load of large, heavy cars running up 20 ft and droping down fast. I've seen pics, and it really looks like it's going to be torn apart. I think Intamin or B&M should make 4d's.

Post July 8th, 2004, 11:53 pm

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Most problems on x are due to the mechanics of the ride. There are lots of pulley's and motion-converting mechanics that "translate" the distance of the rails into seat-rotation.
Another problem is that the track is too narrow. You have lots of weight pushing down on each side of the track and only a short distance in between. It literally causes the train to bend around the track.

Post July 9th, 2004, 2:47 am

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If Intamin or B & M made a 4d coaster (Which they wont because they have alot of technical difficulties and are alot of hassle to build and operate) you can guarantee they'll be hell of alot smoother :p

Post July 9th, 2004, 10:04 am
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Lol yea, I think intamins are the smoothest, with B&M right behind the competition. Anyway who made X? Vekoma, Arrow?

Post July 9th, 2004, 11:39 am

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Arrow. But the mechanics and the track should have been under great consideration before it was built and Arrow was bankrupted.

Post July 9th, 2004, 11:51 am

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The idea of this coaster is great, but its too adventurous. Getting back on topic, a Inverted Stand-up would be stupid in my opinion. Both on there own are great, but I don't think it would actually be as fun as alot of people make out it to be. And a floorless stand up? Thats impossible, unless you don't like your groin the way it is :p

Post July 9th, 2004, 12:29 pm

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(Start Sarcasm) Hey, why not build a hanging coaster. You hang by a bar below the track. You could get locked in via a pair of handcuffs (End Sarcasm)

The Floorless Inverted Standup is about the dumbest idea I have heard of since the cantilevered coaster.

Post July 9th, 2004, 1:15 pm
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A cantilevered coaster? What would that involve then? I have heard of cantilevered roofs and stuff where the roof is held up by bars from above which are pinned to the back of the building, so basically the roof is holding itself up, would a cntilevered coaster be something to do with the supports?

I know what I would like to see being built though.......A B&M 4D, just imagine the precision, smoothness and greatlookingness ([lol]) of B&M, along with the most original and the extremest ride type ever. It would be proper Bo!

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lol gouldy and his bo... The cantilevered coaster was a stupid concept where it was like a suspended coaster, only the car was above the track. A B & M 4D would be awesome.

Post July 9th, 2004, 9:37 pm

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arrow should have made X way smaller, instead of going balls to the wall like they did

Post July 9th, 2004, 10:38 pm
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from what ive heard, B&M was gonna make a 4-D coaster, then the park (port adventura) said they wanted a florless, with a layout like medusa, but could not afford it... 450ft tall 4-D hypers....that'd be awesome. i think Premier is gonna come out with a very cool, un-thought of coaster style, witch would be Proper BO[:p]... and when i think somthin will happen, it does[;)]

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Originally posted by Fornication Nation

arrow should have made X way smaller, instead of going balls to the wall like they did


It wasn't arrow's fault really. Six Flags Magic Mountain pushed Arrow to build the ride not only in record-dimensions, but also in record time.
When the ride turned out to be a maintenance nightmare, Six Flags filed a lawsuit against arrow. Not exactly sure about the result other than it forced arrow into bankrupcy (and being taken over by S&S). Hence, no arrow-engineers were allowed to work on the ride and SFMM's maintenacne is not the best by any means.

So here we have a HUGE prototype that hasn't gotten a chance to be properly "finished". B&M rehabbed one of the trains, which I heard gives a smoother ride than the other. Other than that X is still a maintenance nightmare, and it's not really getting better over time.

The End

Post July 10th, 2004, 4:51 pm

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Screw the h*ll out of 6 Flags. Arrow could've gotten alot farther. If I ever start a campany, no 6 Flags involved. (I've heard other things that happened w/ 6 Flags and some other company, dealing w/ lawsuits)

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That's probably a good reason for me to prefer CP over SFMM, even though I've never been to SFMM, lol. But SF expects too much at a time from coaster companies.

Some old info from coasterforce.com:

Six Flags/Vekoma Problems

It seems Six Flags has just put in an order for 2000 more Vekoma Super Invertigos, and if they aren't all built in three days, Vekoma will be sued for eleven-billion dollars, two herds of cattle, and the exclusive rights to John Wardley's soul. When asked if this might hurt the Dutch company, a Six Flags representitive said "We're the victims here. People are expecting us to have 2,000 or so new coasters built the day after the off-season begins. With out those there, our winter business will plummet"
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So not only did they mess up arrow, they threatened vekoma as well.

You can find it by seaching the following page: http://www.coasterforce.com/info/humour.php

Post July 11th, 2004, 1:00 am

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I agree, as of right now I would rather goto CP than SFMM

if thats serious about the 3 days, thats love rediculous

Post July 11th, 2004, 7:14 am
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Yes, of coooooooooooooooourse it was serious about the 3 days *raises eyebrow*

Post July 11th, 2004, 7:16 am

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well I guess if god created the universe in 7 it could be done ahah

Post July 11th, 2004, 10:28 am

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Although Six Flags did rush the development of the GIB (giant inverted boomerangs) I think vekoma is not exactly innocent. The catch-mechanism and train design is just flat out bad, nothing that would be terribly better with more "tweaking" like X.

Post July 11th, 2004, 11:01 am
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Originally posted by Fornication Nation

well I guess if god created the universe in 7 it could be done ahah


he created the WORLD in 7 days, not the universe [lol] well, he......no, 'it' didn't cus 'it' is a figment of some peoples imagination, its just thats how the story goes [;)]......I think.

Post July 11th, 2004, 11:33 am

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:cleares throat:
I happen to follow david hume's philosophy. EVERYTHING we experience is by definition a figment of immagination. Thus, god can, for some people, be as real as anything else. Truthfully, it's an impossibility to know or prove anything either way, so lets get back on topic before we get into a religious debate...again.

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