Questionable, Conflicting, and Unjustified Rating

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I have a real problem with DjJavixxxxxxxxxxxx's rate of my coaster. It's poorly explained, self-conflicting, and doesn't seem in the spirit of the site.

For one, he marks me down for length.How is 3400ft per side on a woodie with a 115ft lift unreasonable? Especially with this being a dueling coaster with two distinct layouts, I don't how that's all a valid critism. What does he expect of me, to find away around friction? The ride couldn't even be any longer than it is and maintain decent speed onto the brakes.

He also says the ride isn't intense enough, but yet also says the forces are too strong. Not only do I see these two complaints as contridictary, I don't see justification for either. The forces are all in the green (Max of 1.1 negative, 3.5 vertical, and 1.3 lateral) and very typical for a late 1920's vintage ride, which is what I am trying to emulate here. As for the intensity, this is one of the most intense woodies I've designed. Take it for a ride and I think you'll agree. He offers no justification on either point.

Finally, he says the ride is not original. It's a combination dueling / racing coaster. How many of those have you seen before? None? Me too. That's why I built this ride. Beyond that, the ride has an excellent mix of airtime and high speed turns. What more can you do with a woodie? What does this guy expect, a launch? Inversions? Totally unjustified.

you're not alone, I consider him to be the single worst rater I have ever encountered, his rates are attacks on reason and common sense, every single time, I don't think he knows a thing about roller coasters that's worth knowing and the concept of raters helping people build better tracks flies out the window with every rate I've seen him give on every coaster I've seen him rate. But the rules are, he's entitled to his opinion, however useless it is.

Frankly, I think he's violating the rules. The rules state that you must treat others with respect. If you read his comments, it sounds a lot more like "contempt" to me. He offers no helpful advice, and just generally gives EVERYTHING bad ratings. It's almost enough to make one thing he enjoys belittling others. I don't think I've ever seen him give more than like a 6.5 to anything. I've talked with several users who no longer post rides here because of him, and I'm very close to doing the same. People like him drive the nice and helpful people off a site.

I got an 8.17 from said rater on a woodie....so it really puzzles me as to why he's all of a sudden gone from ok to horrible. Strange. There's gotta be some violation that he can be slapped with, no pun intended... I have no personal complaint with him, but it seems to me that he doesn't rate well at all...on anything....at least he's consistent.

It's poorly explained ---> k gonna paste all my review of your coaster, hang on

Done: This is your new rate. I don't want to be 100% hard and strict but you force me to be:

..::Technical::..

First Drop 1 --> Looks ok, smooth and good. Could be a bit better, more hight or a bit more airtime but already is ok -> 0.75/1

Layout 1 --> The layout is good, doing a bit of crosses. Too airtimes placed, and not enought crosses to be a good dueling woody. Try to add more crosses. 0.5/1

Smooth 2 --> Sorry but was a quartes smooth. You can see a lot of hard bankings, rought turns, and some bumps. Try to make all the track smooth, including airtimes --> 0.5/2

G Forces 1 --> Overall Green, but EXCESS OF AIRTIME G FORCES, and more than one time: 0.5/1

Build of Supports 1 --> Not worked, only clicked the autosupports --> 0.5/1

Errors Founded 2 --> There are too many bad-placed bankings, too bumps and rought parts. Also need more crosses, brakes could be longer, the begining could be more intense, not trees added --> 0.75/1

Personal Opinion 2 --> For me is an average coaster --> 1/2

FINAL TECHNICAL RATE: 4.5 / 10


..::ADRENALINE::..

First Drop 2 --> Could be more hight and have a bit more of speed. Also could be a bit more long, but was ok --> 1.5/2

Terraformer & Trees 1 --> NOT TREES // NOT TERRAFORMER --> 0/1

Layout 3 --> The layout is not bad, the problem are that have some slow parts detected at the coaster, not many but just a bit. Also , the most crosses, the best adrenaline, you could improbe a bit more this factor. --> 1.75/3

Spectacular Events 1 --> The first cross was a bit impactant. Just that --> 0.25/1

Airtime 1 --> EXTREME --> 1/1

Personal Opinion 2 --> A bit highter than an average coaster. This factor could be really improve if you added more crosses --> 1.25/2

FINAL ADRENALINE RATE: 5.5 / 10

..::ORIGINALITY::..

New Elements 2 --> NOT TOO, only a bit of crosses. I think you can improve this fact --> 0.5/2

Layout 2 --> The layout is not bad, but havent seen any special event or some that difference it from other coasters, except the duel fact --> 1/2

Supports 2 --> Average, not worked: 1/2

Special Event 2 --> A bit of crosses, but jut that. I think if you improve this fact adding more croses it would be highter --> 1.25/2

Personal Opinion 2 --> Average originality, a bit highter but overall is average. --> 1.25/2

BONUS POINTS: + 2 3DS, Env, Worked Supports, Terraformer, Cartextures ---> NOTHING --> +0

FINAL ADRENALINE RATE: 5.5 / 10

I still don't get you. Not ever ride has to be 200ft high. I think your stanards are impossibly high. Why the hell should I add trees and terraform to a ride of such complexity that it requires a Radeon 9800 to run at a decent frame rate as it is? I'd like to see you design a coaster that you'd give more than a 6 to. It's just impossible. You must realise that there are limits we must adhere to. For one, there are limits to how much can be done off a given height, due to friction. Youe standards are quite simply impossible to meet. No one can pack all that you expect into a ride. I reiterate, I'd like to see you design a ride that would score over a 6 by the scoring criteria you put above. Furthur more, I'd like to see a real life coaster that would score more than a 5. Some of us like to build REALISTIC rides, and that often means showing a certain degree of restraint. In short, I think you should take a long hard look at a lot of real life coasters, and how they are designed, and what makes them good.

this guy is out of his mind, he wants to dictate exactly how we build coasters according to his and only his standards, and they are insane standards. I'm not going to upload any more coasters as long as he is allowed to rate them, because all he does is trash a lot of hard work with his ridiculous criteria. I don't believe he's capable of giving an informed opinion on roller coasters, and that crap about demanding terraforming on every coaster really rankles me, I hate the way terraforming kills the framerates and most of the time when it's done at the lowest level, it look so bad that it kills the realism. Most of the roller coasters I've ridden in real life, have very little landscaping done around them (Gwazi is a prime example, you see more flat concrete than anything else), and when it is done in parks that are on flat land, it's done rather poorly (like Krakken). Another oft-repeated point of contention is when he says he would have rated higher for including 3ds. I won't even consider adding 3ds stuff to my coasters unless they're objects someone else made and I've already downloaded because I don't know how to use that kind of software and I have no other possible use for learning how to use it other than to please him. He's ruined this site as far as I'm concerned.

I agree, as long as he is rating, I have no interest in posting my rides here.

Why don't you all just stop with your bitching! If you don't want to have your ride rated then don't post, it's as simple as that. Leave this forum area for complaning about acctually bad rates, like an unexplained .5 or 10.

well this is called a Forum, and I believe that concept goes bck to the ancient Greeks, where everyone gets to have their say...if having your say is going to be reduced to "bitching" simply because what one says is a form of dissent, then lets not call it a Forum and let's not include the word "complaints" in this part of it. There are bad rates and there are bad raters, and that's the particular complaint in this forum, and if it cannot be posted here, then where can it be posted? Where can an issue involving redress be taken? There are valid complaints being aired here, and since the rater in question refused to deal with this in a PM and demanded that it be aired here instead, I see no other possible course of action. This ain't "bitching", this is what he wanted, this is what he gets. When one person continually causes friction as this person does, something constructive should be done about it.

usually i dont get involved in this forum as weeweeslap has asked people not to (unless it involves them) but truth be told, djavixxxx gave your coaster an average rating. Most people get pissed when their coaster arnt rated an 8 or above, i know the same feeling. Even though you may not be able to understand him sometimes, he does give detailed ratings. I have not downloaded your ride Tyler so I dont know how good it is, but you shouldnt be all that angry. I do agree that points should not be taken away for not being terraformed, having 3d's or trees, but it is his standard of rating and he is allowed to have one. I dont believe his rate is an underrate. Usually an uderrate would be a less than a 4 or 3. Also, you have to realize that when you post a track on here, every member has the ability to download and rate. It seems that most of the newer members tend to give higher rates and the older ones tend to get average rates. It is your choice to upload your coaster here or not. I dont think you should let one person ruin it for you but again, the choice is up to you.

yeah you're right, everyone's entitled to their opinion, and I can take honest criticism, but when it's skewed beyond reason and cites things not there, I feel like speaking up. Like all the other coaster sims out there, NL has its flaws, particular in scaling and smoothing (even Ole Lange admits to that) and some tolerance should be allowed for that. Dj want's perfection and rates accordingly as well as unreasonably where things like terraforming and 3ds are concerned. I wish there was a seperate rate for things like 3ds, they're wondrous to behold sometimes, some people are really talented and Tia's object creator has opened up new worlds for these people...but not all who are interested in building coasters are also interested in 3d graphics apps, they're two different diciplines and skills.

Again... 3DS and ENV are BONUS POINTS!!!! That means i dont get out points for that! IF you add 3DS you will have extra points, that only can make the rate hight!

About terraformer... its as hard as open terraformer editor and clic "CREATE AUTOTERRAFORMER"...

I'll get into this case.

The topic will be locked untill I've handled this to prevent more people posting angry replies here [:p]

To be continued...

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Edit:

The complaint in this case are right, the rating doesn't make much sense. Many things are not well explained and the overall conclusion is that you would have had a 8 overall if you added a few more "crosses"

Then I have to say I agree with what rctycoon said. You should always take into account that you probably like your ride better than others and that everyone has his/her own opinion on things. However in this case the rating was no good, but I think some of you are making quite a fuss about javixxx' ratings. I'm not saying they are good, but at least he takes the time to write a rating, which is good. Also rating rides is also a thing you should learn, so if you have problem with his rating, or want further explaination then PM the user, if the problem can't be solved, don't hecitate to post it here.

So in this case I'm on tylers side, but you should not make this worse than it really is. I know it's harsh to get a rating you don't agree with, but I can't be a reason not to upload your future rides. Anyway, hope everyone is happy with the way this has been solved [:p] If you encounter any more problems with javixxx try sending him a PM and if that doesn't work, feel free to post here.