Taller and faster than Kingda Ka?

Do you think that Cedar Point will build a taller and faster coaster than Kinda Ka.

You may think that Cedar Point has ran out of room but I have made a discovery. Cedar Point owns land in Southern Michigan. Their property has 5 pond and lakes. Which I think that they will build a coaster that is taller and faster than Kingda Ka. Hope that we see it soon!!!

[hyyyper]

I don't think so, i don't think CP will be that unoriginal to make another coaster like TTD wich is just a few meters higher, i think we'll have to wait untill CP is willing to spend money on it....but i think the next highest coaster will be in one of the bush garderns or something from paramount

We'll have to wait to see what the guru's of CP 'Real, CJD' have to say about it. Personaly the one main thing that the park is missing is a true drop ride from Intamin. (yes i know, power tower, demon drop) The way i see it, they have plenty on room to fit a ride in with such a small footprint, so something like the worlds tallest drop ride could be possible.

A new worlds tallest and fastest coaster would however be imo quite difficult for CP, design wise. It would take some true innovation in design to make something taller than KK but has a different ride from TTD.

I don't think should try to build any coaster bigger than TTD at the moment, mostly because it's useless trying to race to break and re-break new records. Think of the skyscrapers in NYC in the earlier 20th century. Plus, it seems like they are moving more towards new thrill rides right now, so a massive drop ride would be an excellent addition...

[hyyyper]

a drop-tower attached to ttd will defenedly be awesome

I doubt they would pursue the tallest and fastest coaster race for the exact reason that Edge said, it would be extremely difficult for them to come up with a ride that differs from TTD and also from Millenium Force.

If anything, they should go for the inversion record!

[Kev]

I think they should forget about records, and just make a really good coaster. Out of all of the record breaking rides they have built over the past few years, there hasn't been anything that really made me want to visit...not saying that the rides they have built are crap or anything, because I'm sure they are not, but just nothing worth driving/flying long distance to see, IMHO.

Just an opinion from someone who has never been to CP. [;)]

I think that they could come out with a good inversion record coaster. I loe coasters like that. But it would be hard not to copy any coaster in CP because they have a wide verity of coasters. But like I said in my first post. They do own property in Michigan and they may have something up there sleaeve in the up coming years.

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Dive machine and flying coaster would both be horrible choices. Why? Low capacity. Even with the 6 across - 3 train thats only 18 people. A regular B&M ride carries 3 trains of 32 riders per. Thats almost double.


Cedar Point is about capacity. If you guys didnt notice, Dragster was created almost entirely for the record and the capacity. So far it looks like KK is failing in that department. It cant possibly get as many people through because it only runs 4 trains max and I dont think the layout is condusive to it. Plus the way lines have been described, it just reassures what I thought from the beginning of that dual station layout.


So Dive machines I doubt would work. CP not only needs rides that thrill and are unique, they have the very hard task of designing such a ride with high capacity. They rank #7 in attendance among all parks in the US. And they are only open from May to September with weekends in Oct!!! Thats 6 months and they can rank #7 against Cali., Texas and Florida parks that are open year round...large crowds.

So thats where flyers get ruled out, at least IMO. Even with the most optimized loading station ever concieved, they still load and unload very slow. Ive been to two of the 3 flyers in the states and loading was the same on both - slow. I like the ride and the experience, but it wouldnt fit in CP's super busy crowds. The line would be massive and long lines = agitated people and thats never good for business.


So whatever it is, it will probably be made for capacity. Look at Power Tower, I believe its still the only 4 tower version - all for capacity.

Real, you'd be suprised at the throughput of a dive machine. Well im speaking for Oblivion, i dont know about Sheikra, but the Oblivion queues moves very fast and one of the best things about it, is that is doesnt stop moving. Oblivion runs 7 cars and it basicaly dispatches 2 trains at a time, plus with the layout of Oblivion being so short capacity is alot greater. By the time one train is dropping, the second train is cresting the lift. But again, i can only really speak here for Oblivion, and obvioulsy with a layout like Sheikra you are most probaly totaly right about huge queues.

Also from experience from Air, throughput is horrificly slow and is by no means a reliable ride at the best of times

And I doubt CP would throw in another 20 second ride on top of Dragster. Dragster lines move very quickly when it runs smoothly which is slowly coming more of a common thing. Infact, a full queue on Dragster is only 1.5 hours, pretty dang good.


Yea, the theoretical capacity of Oblivion is 1900 but I highly, highly doubt it runs at that. Do they really run all 7 cars every day or do they run 6 with one off? That seems more feesible but I wouldnt know.

I think a good floorless coaster would work.

CP imo is really lacking a good dark ride. perhaps they can make some sort of inversion record breaking dark ride? it's not hard to squeeze 12 or so inversions into a spaghetti bowl ride.

I don't think that is matters if CP builds a taller and faster coaster. As long that they build a coaster that will bring more people to there park. I think that is what there looking for. But I would be nice if they built a taller and faster coaster. I guess well just have to wait and see what CP will bring in the coming years, of the coaster boom of the world.

Real: Oblivion runs 6 trains usually. But it got a realy good capacity. Same about Sheikra I think. 3 rows of 8people give a total capacity of 24 riders. And with a MCBR Sheikra should be able to run a 6 train system too if they dispatch two and two. That way you could get a bether capacity than a normal Beemer. So I think a dive machine could be a good choice.

And I doubt CP would use land that's far away from the park. That would be the same as starting a new park.

Why build something taller and faster than KK? Is it going to be better? when the answer to that is no: don't! Let's build something original and thrilling instead of record breaking! Launch-tophat-down-bunnyhop just built bigger isn't a reason for me to go to a park!

[hyyyper]

then maybe launch-loop-cobra-zero-g-helix is a lot nicer, all with 215 kph

You got the money for such an investment? What about capacity? These huge rides are shorter so they can get more people on it per hour. Theres logical reasons why we most likly wont see huge rockets doing much more than a few things.

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And I doubt CP would use land that's far away from the park. That would be the same as starting a new park.

They probly will start a new park but call it CP of Michigan. Because I have a land plot book of that county, and it says CP of Michigan. They might start with little coasters, with inversion, some tall coasters then build a record breaking coaster. So will just have to wait an see what they have coming in the next couple of years.

why not just parshally(can't spell it) redesign ttd and extend the top hat a bit, i am sure the pull up cannot be reaching maximum gforse ratings can it?

Even if they were thinking of make a CP of Michigan park, i think they will finish the additions to Geauga Lake first. This is just a rumor, but i herd 2 new coaster over the next few years

Seriously Dugie2007 get off the idea of a michagin park, i seriously doubt they will put a park there, michagin just wouldnt bring enough attendence IMO, and come on think loggically gazag, do u really think they would go through all of that trouble re-designing TTD, changing the launch speed, adding supports, changing all the signs in the park, just the stupid little things, in 2007 when its that guys last year(i forgot his name but the one that is in charge of rides) leaves, he is apparently going out with a bang, so we will just have to wait and see.

lpth5, Cedar Fair owns Michigan Adventures. Which is the only admusment park in michigan. So if they did start a new park in michigan it would bring more people to there parks. Why whould they own land and not use it. If they are suppose to be the Coaster Kings of the world, than they need to build more parks and bigger rides.

They don't need a new park in Michigan. Michigan's Adventure already has tons of land that they could bild on. Not that they will actually BUILD anything there though...