Taller and faster than Kingda Ka?

[Brtnboarder495]

Hmm they should someone develop a new block system for the IRC's. This would make running taller and longer coasters able to be run with a decent length and layout.

IntaminFan397, have you ever been to Michigan Adventures. They only have enough room for two good size coasters maybe not even that.

You guys come up with some really wild ideas...its almost humorous.

Also, Cedar Point will be the ONLY Cedar Point. There will never be another park with that name. Also, Michigans Adventure may get some new stuff in the future but nothing like CP or even GL. The location SUCKS. If it was more centrally located, I could see that. But its over near Muskegon which is no where near any other large cities (like Detroit, Ann Arbor, etc) Its just not in a prime location.

LOL, how true real, it does seem like you guys are high or something when your thinking some of this stuff up!


but CP build something taller than KK? yes, yes they will. my best guess is another flat in 2006, depending on what SFMM has plans for in 2006. but, in 2007, kinzel's last year, im predicting it will be broke then with a 515 foot coaster. its lauyout will be insanely unique i think. go threwout alot of the park too. and it will have two mcbr's and two stations. it will use intamin's elevator lift system, and go over 140 mph. there will be wind deflectors in the front, and the trains for KK or something similar will be used. That is my crazy crack pot therory.

[coolbeans326]

They should try to break a record for the most air time on a ride, that would be a record breaking ride I'd fly 1,000,000 miles to see.[:P]

[hyyyper]

why not a coaster fo 1,000,000 miles, then you won't have to visit the park itslef, you wait untill the trains gets there and hop on

Real, you have some good points. I think that they would start a new park but not call it CP. And the locaton of the land that they onn is by Ann Arbor. And thats by Jackson and lots of other big cities. Ragan I thank that you are right on that hole taller and faster than Kk, and the flat 2006 year. It seems that CP only build big rides and coasters every other year. I guess well just have to wait and see.

Can I get some evidence of the land ownership?

Also, imagine the starting costs of erecting a brand new park from the ground up. I just dont see that happening. That land would be better used if loaned or sold to a housing company / sub-division and the money made that way. I cant see them ever building another park SO close to CP.

Look, when they bought GL Im sure the opportunity to pick up a good park and spruce it up was great. I have no doubts itll turn into a great long term investment, however its not going to compete with CP. Why do that? Us CP'ers already have to pay an extra 25 bucks on our SP just to get the GL add-on. Im not against it, but they have to protect themselves.


Another park just an hour or 2 from CP presents the same issue and 2 parks within 2 hours of CP wouldnt be good for business. They arent close enough to create a resort like Disney and they arent far enough to gather in their OWN audiences. They would draw the same crowds, thus sucking crowds from CP and GL (and GL needs people more than CP does, thats for sure).


It wouldnt be a smart business decision, I dont see if ever happening.


As for the coaster, who the heck knows. Kinzel has been recorded as saying he would like to go out (he retires end of '07) with a great ride, if thats big or not, Im not sure.


I hope we are done with height breakers at CP. I want something far more compact. Actually, a ride type Id love to see but wont ever happen is the M-S Spinning Mouse coasters...those things look like they rule.

those mouse coasters due rule all right. but the problem is the capacity :X it is *almost* as bad as a flyer. with one car dipatching every 30 seconds or so, and with 4 per train, you get a pretty long line in a hurry.

I figure CP could manage some system to move the lines.

Ever ridden the one at Disney? They put some monster lines through it, you just need to make the system work.


With the flyers, the system isnt as workable. But I know its a long shot. Maybe GL would get one? eh? eh?

Real, Tomarrow ill try and put up a pic of the land that they own. But if i don't, It will be sometime in the week. Becuase I have finals. I understand what you are saying if they had 2 parks , within 2 hours would hurt them. But we just don't know becuse Cp likes to keep info to themselfs, beause we all know they like to suprise there guess. Like I said before well just have to wait and see, what they do in the coming years.

To make more romm, CP should tear up the parking lot and put it on the mainland. then they could put people on trollys, trams, or ferries. that way there will be a lot more room for expansion. being on an island like that, it's hard to expand.

^Good speculation, topthrill. According to management, this is their eventual plan. The parking lot is 64 wasted acres of good land on the penninsula.

IMO, the next record breaking speed/height coaster will not be Six Flags or Cedar Fair. I think were done with the 450' top hats until, like everyone else said, they can come up with line management. I've never been to CP but from the looks, they've got plenty to keep you busy in a 12 hour day. At the most, I see one new flat ride a year until Kinzel retires, den we see sometin BIG.

Also, why would the same park have the same type of ride even the same layout, just with different specs. In that manner, you go to the bigger faster one, and the smaller one is left behind, except for the short-line-minded.

that does make sense. why would a park have two rides nearly identical, with only different specs. the only rocket i could see going into CP though, is something as tall as Xcel, with like 6 inversions, the mcbr, the whole deal.

[hyyyper]

I think the park with a height record will be a SF park that has a no. of good coaster, excl. GADV and SFMM, i was thinking something like Marine World or Over Texas, or it'll be one of the Paramount or one of the Busch Gardens.
From those 3 options, i think it'll be most likely that paramount will be 1st

Busch Gardens is a probably no-go. I say this because Tampa just got Skeikra so there good for another 3 or so years until the next coaster. Williamsburg on the other hand is just not a big place on the map for the tallest and fastest. Its all about money, profit, and more money. First it was TTD at CP, one of the top parks as far as people through the gates, then look at SFGAv, close to NYC! The next fastest will be where the people are. SFMM or PKI IMO.

i cant see a BG getting a strata. unless if they can make it super quiet, and some how let it blend in to their old looking, but beautiful parks. paramount is also possible, but still ehhh maybe.

What makes you think that Cedar Point would have to build a launched coaster? Why not make a 500 ft coaster with a cable lift and a normal drop? That would be alot more logical to me than another strata.

One word...space. You realize how much more structure that would take!? If its going to be over 350', it'll have a hydralic launch. Even more so, CP is on an island. You only have so much room on an island. CP is done with stratas. Not hyper but stratas. You can still get a great hyper launch or chain coaster. Look at Accelerator at KBF.

Why, who was to say it would be a hyper or strata, it could be a looping coaster with an extremely tall lift. [:D][lol]

I'm not talking about the rest of the ride. I'm talking about the lift itsself. Thats almost twice the height of MF. Can you imagine how long the lift would be if you walked under it from the ground?!

The Lift hill could be at a bigger degree. Like 60 or more. With a really fast lift. Like a fast evevator lift.

MF takes what, 20 seconds to get to the top of the lift? so if you were to add another 400 feet in length to that lift, it would take rougly 37.5 seconds. that isnt that long people. that is how long it takes to get to the top of goliath @ sfmm. and you people do not seem to realize that CP does have alot of room. the dont have alot if your thinking of an area x feet times y feet. but they do have alot of room if you create an inventive layout. they dont have room for big rectangle, but they do have room if you manovure the area where the track is. hopefully someone unnderstood that. but they do have room, so they can get anything really that their heart desires, except another hydralic coaster, they do not seem to have room for that.....unless if the launch and break run were on the sand....hmmm.

[Brtnboarder495]

No exactly, you have to take into account the beggining of the circuit when the cable picks up speed (and it's gradual). Once 1/2-3/4 up the lift it gains a few more mph slowly.