SFOG Unleashes Goliath :: Now open to public!!

Thats what I was talking about. It doesnt matter if its 4 or 2 seats, 3 or 5, they all heartline the center of the train and at the riders heartline.

[coolbeans326]

right, but with a one seat per row ride, the rider would feel a perfect heartline, which i've always wanted to feel [:P]

It would probably be a wierd sensation just to spin on a perfect radius like one of those TV effects when the person's dizzy or something [xx(]

I wish B&M would start pushing the limits liek they did with their old B&MS. They were pulling around 4gs all over the place, and were relentless in pacing. Why stop when it was giving them so much success???

I dont think they go out and measure what the Enthusiasts think. They only really care about pleasing the GP which should be their job. We make up a very small portion of the entire coaster population so why cater to us when we alone couldnt support business?

I really dont think the render will do it justice. The only render Ive seen that compared to the real thing was Storm Runner but it looked like it was made from Intamin. This looks like it was done by Badnitrus (Keith McVeen) and his are always off in speed.

Originally posted by Real

Originally posted by Brtnboarder495

I hope it's got enough air ... B&M's aren't known for their intense air hills. But I am glad there are less helices and more hills, the twisty stuff never really got me. The air is what I love and I think it attracts more people then twisted rides do.

Go ride Nitro then report back to me on intense air. Its at least floater and then some. Its some of the most satisfying airtime there is.


IF397 - I TOTALLY agree. Front seat into the helix looks awesome. If its anything like Nitro it will be a QUALITY ride no doubt. I love Nitro and this means I need to hit this park at some point in the future now.

I rode Nitro yesterday and I go on it a LOT and I got the first row and earlier in the season the back row and no matter where you sit you get TONS of air time!!!!

Real, i never said they did measure what us enthusiasts think. I was just saying i wish they were a little more relentless in pacing and a bit craier like they used to be. Of course they cater for the GP, like you said, and they dont give a damn, as long as they are on a coaster that gives them a thrill then thats fine for them, which is fair enough. I just wish they were a little more bothered so we could get some more coasters like nemmy, Katun, Dragon Khan, Kumba etc. [:D][lol]

Well, Dueling Dragons has insane forces and its reletively new.

Hydra has some pretty good forces too. Its not Dueling Dragons or Nemesis but its still got some suprising and unexpected forces.

But you are comparing Apples to Oranges. The way they design their Mega coasters is nothing like what they do with their other styles. Personally I would feel that a mega coaster that hauls too much butt, reguardless of airtime and G's, wouldnt be optimal for the experience. Thats just me though, I like a balance of intensity and pacing. For me, if its all thrown at me too fast to take in, whats it worth?

Kumba is borderline what Im talking about. Its ridiculous in pacing. So much so, the zero g has no zero g and the dive loop has no floater either. It just pounds you with vertical forces and all mashes into one blur. I wish it was slowed down enough to get a wider range of forces to provide a more unique experience. Its still a GREAT ride though.

[coolbeans326]

Its true, GP sell more tickets than what us coaster enthusiest do. And the GP think B&M are the most awsomess of awsome rides out there. No lie.

But you are comparing Apples to Oranges. The way they design their Mega coasters is nothing like what they do with their other styles. Personally I would feel that a mega coaster that hauls too much butt, reguardless of airtime and G's, wouldnt be optimal for the experience. Thats just me though, I like a balance of intensity and pacing. For me, if its all thrown at me too fast to take in, whats it worth?

Kumba is borderline what Im talking about. Its ridiculous in pacing. So much so, the zero g has no zero g and the dive loop has no floater either. It just pounds you with vertical forces and all mashes into one blur. I wish it was slowed down enough to get a wider range of forces to provide a more unique experience. Its still a GREAT ride though.

I see, this is where we are disagreeing. I love rides to be relentless in pace, and that often means alot of vertical G forces. I love a ride that goes so fast i dont know whats happening, where everything mashes together. But i suppose, i have a very low coaster count, and havent experienced any really great coasters apart from them at Alton and a few others. I havent experienced a mega coaster yet, so i will probably change my view on B&M when i get to them. I do love B&M, they are my favourite steel coaster company, dont get me wrong, its just i seem to get the impression that their rides arent quite as crazy as they used to be. But this is only an impression, i have nothing but other peoples views to make me believe this so i am most probably wrong.

My perfect coaster is one that pulls huge vertical forces, but has huge amounts of airtime aswell, hence i like rita so much. She pulls 4.7g and then -0.7 airtime.

Riding B:TR in any seat but the front makes it all seem like it's mashed together. I didn't know if I was up or down or in a turn. But the ride was pretty fun.

B&M is my favorite coaster company too. (Closely followed by Intamin) In another topic Real and I were discussing how even though Hydra is a late model B&M it still does stuff that is atypical of late model B&M's.

As far as B&M hypers go, there just insn't that much that can be done with a hyper coaster. I mean you can have lots of airtime hills, a helix and a few turns. Correct me if I'm wrong but, I think Raging Bull is the only B&M hyper that has a really different layout than the standard hills and helix.

And I dont know of a single Hyper coaster that is relentless. Its really, really hard to do what with long trains jpe, another reason why you wont see it on hyper coasters.


You CAN see it on the B&M inverts and such because the trains are a heck of alot shorter. With shorter trains the G's force from front to back are closer together than the hypers which are very different. You have to take into effect that train length.

You wont ever see a hyper with a pace similar to that of Nemesis or Dueling Dragons. Just wont happen.

[Brtnboarder495]

If the cards are wider you have to compensate for slower lateral transitions though.

[coolbeans326]

I think Raging Bull is the only B&M hyper that has a really different layout than the standard hills and helix.

Raging Bull was more like Titan and Goliath. They were hyper twisters, but they really did not have much air time, and mostly just stronger g forces (I dunno if thats true with Raging bull, but I know Goliath and Titan have that stronger force) It's alright, but there is nothing that wows you other than the drop. The air time hill is just extended floater, which is good, but only happens once, I'm sad to say. SO yeah, they could do more, but when I'm riding a hyper, I'm riding it for speed, hight, and air time, the other rides can have all the strong forces, and twistedness they want, but prefer the air time.

I just hope this new coaster Goliath, is worth while, which i think it might be. imagine being on the ride going down a hill over cars, sounds pretty cool.

The first of the track and supports has arrived.

^I can't see them.


Edit: Now I see them.

I think you linked to the wrong thing.

fixed

i'm going to six flags in 2 weeks. maybe by then there'll be some more built. i plan on taking pics!!

well they already have the first piece of track up. It is either a station piece or a transfer shed piece, im not really sure. The construction is really coming along pretty well

Some pics of the almost finished Helix

http://sfog.parktrips.com/update.cfm?id=20

Helix is now complete as well as all track up to the 4th hill;


http://sfog.parktrips.com/update.cfm?id=21&p=1

That helix looks great FN. I think this might be the helix with the most vertical drop for the rotations.

Yeah, that helix does look awesome, aswell as the rest of the ride.