Requiem

Requiem

This is my follow-up project for Caliber, which is now on hold until further notice. I want to use here what I know and learned from reviews by people who tested Caliber.

By the way, thanks goto Alton_, Bigboy 1234567, & tiepilot35, and a big thanks to Wing-over for his extensive review and suggestion list, from whom I will be asking many questions as this ride continues work.

A project page isnt up yet, but I will get one out once I begin major work.

I think I know where you got that name from... except you took out the 'L'

...? where did I get it from? I was just thinking of names and just came across it. Where would the 'L' go?

I have a question regarding drops, what would be a good set of inputs for the H:SAK to get a good B&M invert feeling drop, because I've tried alot of different things and I'm coming up empty as far as what looks good and what doesnt.

I don't know anything about 'H:SAK', but the name I was thinking of was "Requielm".

...[confused] no I didnt get it from "Requielm", whatever that is...

Anyways, I got the lift & drop done. But now I need someone who can tell me what a good idea would be to go about making an Immelmann. I'd figure it out if I could, but I honestly dont know where to start.

Also, I know the radius graph in elementary is a useful tool to be able to make tracks ultra-uber smooth; but what variables can I change in an element to be able to control the radius so that the start and end radii of an element can be made to match up to the next element?

EDIT: nevermind, stupid question...[:p]

[worship] to whoever can help me out

First screen of the project: http://www.nolimitsdevcenter.net/i16803

^Being able to control the radius can actually be quite challenging to many, especially if you're making clothoid inversions. A change in the tearing will affect the radius as will a radius change (duh!).

I don't know about others, but I find inverts extremely hard to create. I STRONGLY suggest getting the gist of the program by making an Intamin Hyper. I think just doing that will help you answer a lot of your own questions. Inversions can be EXTREMELY frustrating, hence why I have only just began to create them.

Just something to think about [:P]

But I wanna make a sexy B&M invert.....[:(][:(] Maybe I will, but I just made an Intamin, and that kinda went to hell...a woodie sounds good.

But I already made a project topic and page and everything...[:(][:(][:(][:(]

A woodie would be a good choice also, just something without inversions. Unless you think you can sucessfully pull it off.

I think that with proper guidance from people who know their stuff I would be able to pull off a decent ride. Note I would be leaning on alot of people for help, so anyone who wants to help walk me through this process probably should have alot of patience...

One of the ways to make an immelmann is to make less-than half loop with the H:SAK (About 150 to 180 cangle, depending on when you want the twisting to start) Note the radius at the end of it. Load it in the purg, rotate it, and note the exit slope from the data panel. Then make another H:SAK with the same radius, and a cangle of the slope of the half loop + the exit slope you want for the immelmann (May change, due to the slope) Then use the slopeb to create the lateral twisting motion. (Higher for further turning immelmanns, lower for more straight ones) Once plotted, load it in the purg and rotate it to fit the exit of the half loop (using the same entry slope). Then just insert it, and you've got your immelmann.

It can be made in just one element, but it can get complicated, especially if you want a leadin.

OH MY GOD! I hate inversions^

ok, for the slope of the half loop, there isnt any, I just built a leadin in w/ the helix. Unless I'm looking in the wrong place, and I'm also confused by the exit slope for the immelmann, can it just bottom out @ zero, with a leadin already in the element?

EDIT: what i could really use is that same direction, with just a little more indepth.

Better watch out for tilt on the bottom of that drop...

looks good, but it seems like you could use a bit more banking towards the middle

Gs are fine in the middle, and it feels really B&M-y. I just want to get this Immelmann figured out, Im experimenting and trying different things, but I cant seem to get the radii to match up on the 2 parts of it. I think I know how you would make it in 1 element, then I would have to make my own leadin.

If the radii don't match up, try loading the element (in an empty track) with AHG and get the radius reading from there, sometimes it's more accurate than the elementary radius graph.

Wow, so confusing. One--major--question: What is the H:SAK??

Helix - Swiss Army Knife

http://www.nolimitsdevcenter.net/pageid-5.html

Ah, see I didnt think abt the radius reading in AHG.

I have a very vague idea of where I want it to go, but it is nowhere near where I want the trackwork to be

screenies (note the captions on the newest ones): http://www.NoLimitsDevCenter.net/p2336

It looks like you need lower turning angle on the second part of the immelmann, and maybe less of a slope.

No thats not the shape I'm going for, lol.

This is http://www.nolimitsdevcenter.net/i9683

But whenever I try to lower the the turning angle, the rest of the element shrinks, and I'm not sure thats supposed to happen, unless I use a very large leadout element.

Don't worry about using a large leadout. Most of my immelmanns have about 45 to 50 degree leadouts.