Same Sex Marriage?

Fair enough man. Ive just always wondered this. On a gay site i go on (not for porn) its like a discussion site, they had this thing saying "Can God and gays ever go together?" and that was where i first heard that question ask, and ive been wondering about it ever since.

Im not religious myself, and i dont know much about christianity (even though i am supposedly christian, but that is because of my family, and not my choice, personally, religion is not for me because of the lifestyle i live) so therefor i dont see the point in argueing against something i know little about. I sometimes think others should take that attitude towards homosexuality, if you know little about something, dont judge it, until you have reason to be for/against it.

Anyway, kinda gone off subject now. [:P]

Ragan.....FYI, my name is not Joe. There is a long story behind my screen name.

Stop being so annoying...

Wow pumpmeup, how appropriate is your title for this topic [:D]

And your custom title of 'I love Willy' really does too. Haha!

HAHAHA, i noticed that after i posted. That was rachael who put that, and i just never changed it, because, well there was no point [:P]

I wanted to share some general information from CNN today on the whole gay marriage vote. You see, it is not just us fanatical christians (lol) who disapprove ... apparently, entire states have issue with this as well.

In Mississippi, traditional marriage was approved by a whopping 86 percent majority. Other state votes registered similar wide margins: Alabama (81 percent), Nevada (70 percent), Arkansas (75 percent), Georgia (77 percent), Kentucky (75 percent), Louisiana (78 percent), Nebraska (70 percent), Missouri (71 percent), Montana (66 percent), North Dakota (73 percent), Ohio (62 percent), Michigan (59 percent), Oklahoma (76 percent), Utah (66 percent), Kansas (70 percent) and Texas (75 percent). Even states considered to be more liberal voted for traditional marriage, including Hawaii (69 percent), Alaska (68 percent) and Oregon (57 percent).

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/28/dobson ... index.html

Of course you cannot always favor CNN's reporting, but at least here they have reported some accurate numbers. Interestingly enough, I had to add the Alabama numbers in there .... guess they forgot about that vote a few weeks ago.

Source: http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2006/06/07/3

ok tcon...noticed how a good portion (around 80%) of your states that disapporved of it, are in the bible belt, or are hard core conservatives?

bama, arkansas, georgia, kentucky, louisiana, nebraska, mizzou, oklahoma, utah, kansas, texas. only ones in that first list that arent hard core conservatives are nebada, north dakota, ohio and michigan.

and this was a poll done by cnn...conservatives are more likely to respond to soomething on the web like that....wonder why bush is president while there are more liberals than conservatives in this country? its because us liberals are lazy and didnt feel like getting outta bed to vote, or were too hungover to vote.

All this so Myriad can find out if we will approve of him and his Ass Bandit boyfriend getting married. Who Cares!

Originally posted by coaster992001

lets leave jesus out of this. this is not about religion, it's about legal rights.

Well, didnt the founders of the US leave the UK for religious freedom? And then werent pretty much all of the laws created based on their biblical beliefs?

Sure, they have been altered but lest you not forget the roots. Sure, things have changed. But you cant say to leave Jesus or the Bible out of it. It was the foundation for our roots. Like it or not.

But you can say leave religion out of it, because gay marriage is nothing to do with religion. It is in no way a marriage in the eyes of god, or in the church, which to be honest, is fair enough, so i think you can say you can leave the bible out of gay marriage. If it has nothing to do with religion, why should we include the bible? As long as you dont expect to be recognised as a traditionally married couple.

Other than that, the bible should come into most things in the US because the majority of people in the US are religious (i believe), where as i dont think thats true for the UK.

Well, true and not true. Everything the US was based on comes from the Bible. Im just stating that...

I already said I dont care either way what happens with the gay marriage. Im just here to correct incorrect thoughts

I am Christian and feel it's wrong, but would allow same-sex marriage because it's people's lives and tey can do as they pease with them. I wouldn;t allow like inhuman marriae and all that stuff because that's crossing the line, bt a big chunk of the world is gay or lesbian, of course we don't want our children like that, but they go in their own ways, and more often than not, we can't choose for them.

hah, im getting a little sensitive now at this subject so i think i should stop posting in this topic. Im getting to the stage where im getting annoyed that people just dont understand, and they try and make laws and decisions on something they have little knowledge about, and its annoying. Its not just this subject, i get annoyed at that with everything, why judge something you have no experience of? Why control something that has nothing to do with you? (this is the exact reason im not taking sociology and stuff for A level. I get too involved. I wouldnt be surprised if one of the English GCSE examiners kills himself this year, because in my English exam, i wrote about the depressions and things that a gay youth faces, and it was SO depressing. lol.)

Why in the hell is this topic even on here. I thought this was for coasters and the like? In our church(methodist) the conference is gong to vote on whether or not to allow gay and lesbian members/clergy. If you follow and swear by the bible than there is no reason for this crap, it is wrong!!! You are not born gay it is a choice, your upbringing has a lot to do with it. It is not political it is moral. this world is based on mom and dad recreating life to keep it going. We might as well give up on Hussein and Bin Laden types if we are gonna ok homos and dykes!!!It is all the same. They are gonna kill of the rest of the world with their indecency towards life. Sorry if this offends, but that is my personal opinion.........

Im sorry but i nearly punched the wall at this. Im so glad no-one else has acted like this otherwise i would leave. [|)] Ive made many friends on this site over the past 2 and a half years, and cant thank them enough for being relatively open minded, and even when not, to back up their thoughts and opinions with reason. You my dear sir (too gay? [:O]), ho stated all this, should really think before you post. Of course you're going to offend someone, especially when you dont give any reason for your opinion. I would accept your thoughts if you did give reason, but you dont. You're basically saying "I dont like you because alot of other people dont, or im told not too", which is pure crap. You ever heard of the holocaust? Millions of Jews died, because of anti-semitism. Discrimation towards a religion, a lifestyle, for no reason, other than the Nazis party "didnt like them" as they werent "perfect", a perfect race. Homosexuality is a lifestyle, and not by choice, and being a jew was also, to most people, not a choice, as they would have been born into a jewish family and bought up like this.

You are saying that you should all hate Gays and "dykes" for no reason. Should you all hate jews for no reason.......?

If yes, are you saying you support the holocaust?


Sorry for ranting, just writing my thoughts out, with reason. "I hope i didnt offend anybody." [xx(]

I totally agree with you jpe, some of this is starting to get far too over the top and stupid. As a gay guy also i feel that people should become educated about something before making such harsh comments about it. To anyone who agrees that being gay is a choice brought on by media and family upbringing, i would ask where you have founded this opinion?? From the media and family upbringing i would imagine.
As far as i'm concerned, being gay is no more a choice for me as choosing the hand i write with. I've been through a very hard time accepting it in myself, and like jpe have also been with girls in the past, but at that stage in my life was more of a way for me to try and be (what i stupidly thought was) normal.
Thats not to say that no homosexual person has a choice and it's inbred, but i feel that you are born with a sexuality that is part homo/part hetro. depending how far over to one side you are depicts who you will have sexual relationships with in the future, but could change in the future. Who am I, or who is anyone to say that a gay person will never fall in love with a member of the other sex, or vice versa. No one knows whats around the corner, or where their future will take them.

At the end of the day tho, i don't see what it matters to anyone who someone chooses to be intimate with. It's no one elses business and if you are comfortable enough with your own sexuality, it shouldn't bother you anyway.

[Coasterkidmwm]

Originally posted by TConwell
Um, no, it does not mean masturbation, it refers to sleeping around.

Remember when it was a sex sin to do in a position other than the missionary position? Interesting how you guys keep changing views.

Since you guys are into denying religious rights to gay people do you deny "Last Rights" to gay people?

oh, and since children apparently can be born gay, do you not let them have a circumcism if they are homosexual?

Wow.....how did it go from gay rights to circumcism? [shocked]

[Coasterkidmwm]

Originally posted by Bowserjoe

Wow.....how did it go from gay rights to circumcism? [shocked]

You know reading is a wonderful gift.

[jayman]

what the hell is circumcism???

[Coasterkidmwm]

Cutting your weewee spelled wrong.

[jayman]

Originally posted by TConwell

I wanted to share some general information from CNN today on the whole gay marriage vote. You see, it is not just us fanatical christians (lol) who disapprove ... apparently, entire states have issue with this as well.

In Mississippi, traditional marriage was approved by a whopping 86 percent majority. Other state votes registered similar wide margins: Alabama (81 percent), Nevada (70 percent), Arkansas (75 percent), Georgia (77 percent), Kentucky (75 percent), Louisiana (78 percent), Nebraska (70 percent), Missouri (71 percent), Montana (66 percent), North Dakota (73 percent), Ohio (62 percent), Michigan (59 percent), Oklahoma (76 percent), Utah (66 percent), Kansas (70 percent) and Texas (75 percent). Even states considered to be more liberal voted for traditional marriage, including Hawaii (69 percent), Alaska (68 percent) and Oregon (57 percent).

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/28/dobson ... index.html

Of course you cannot always favor CNN's reporting, but at least here they have reported some accurate numbers. Interestingly enough, I had to add the Alabama numbers in there .... guess they forgot about that vote a few weeks ago.

Source: http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2006/06/07/3

t.j. anyone who is as familiar with james dobson as i am can tell you that he cannot be expected to be unbiased. i do know that he knows what he's talking about, but that isn't exactly a objective source of information when it comes to this sort of thing. .. sorta like michael moore quoting a survey about the bush administration... i like michael moore, but i acknowledge that he's biased..
anyways, alabama and missisipi at the top of that list does not suprise me..

[jayman]

Originally posted by Coasterkidmwm

Cutting your weewee spelled wrong.

[lol][lol][lol] oh.... you mean circumcision,where a man's foreskin is removed for health and hygenic reasons.. sorry,i thought b.j. was talking about something we were too stupid to understand..

[Brtnboarder495]

I wanted to share some general information from CNN today on the whole gay marriage vote. You see, it is not just us fanatical christians (lol) who disapprove ... apparently, entire states have issue with this as well.

In Mississippi, traditional marriage was approved by a whopping 86 percent majority. Other state votes registered similar wide margins: Alabama (81 percent), Nevada (70 percent), Arkansas (75 percent), Georgia (77 percent), Kentucky (75 percent), Louisiana (78 percent), Nebraska (70 percent), Missouri (71 percent), Montana (66 percent), North Dakota (73 percent), Ohio (62 percent), Michigan (59 percent), Oklahoma (76 percent), Utah (66 percent), Kansas (70 percent) and Texas (75 percent). Even states considered to be more liberal voted for traditional marriage, including Hawaii (69 percent), Alaska (68 percent) and Oregon (57 percent).

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/28/dobson ... index.html

Of course you cannot always favor CNN's reporting, but at least here they have reported some accurate numbers. Interestingly enough, I had to add the Alabama numbers in there .... guess they forgot about that vote a few weeks ago.

Source: http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2006/06/07/3

Oh, that's funny! Those happen to be the same majority who are responsible for voting Bush into office! See the parallels now?

haha. now i understand bush's position on this stuff. lol.