Same Sex Marriage?

[Oscar]

I just lay there [:)]

Originally posted by SMer

I know (in terms of Christianity) the bible says homosexuality is forbidden, but I also know that it says God wants us to live a happy life. If God wants us to be happy, I don't think God will care if someone wants to marry someone else of the same sex.

Well gee. Killing people is forbidden by God, but if it really makes us happy...

The deal is that God isn't going to write the rules if he's about to make exceptions. Whether it makes us happy or not, the knowledge of "sin" is for our protection.

Originally posted by GerstlCrazy

Originally posted by SMer

I know (in terms of Christianity) the bible says homosexuality is forbidden, but I also know that it says God wants us to live a happy life. If God wants us to be happy, I don't think God will care if someone wants to marry someone else of the same sex.

Well gee. Killing people is forbidden by God, but if it really makes us happy...

The deal is that God isn't going to write the rules if he's about to make exceptions. Whether it makes us happy or not, the knowledge of "sin" is for our protection.

Get it right before you start talking about the rules...

The place where it talks about the "abomination" of homosexuality is in Leviticus. That's in the Old Testament, which was a chapter on Jewish Law. When Christ came, he instituted a NEW COVENANT, meaning that those old laws didn't apply. If they DID still apply, then in that same book there are laws that would prevent you from eating shrimp, playing football, or wearing a cotton/poly blend shirt. Luckily, those laws are no more. Some "Christians" just like to pick out the ones they like and ignore the ones they don't.

As for God forbidding homosexuality, it's NOT IN THERE except for the old law of Leviticus, which we just discussed. Grab your Bible and find the part where Jesus says ANYTHING about homosexuality.
You won't. He says NOTHING AT ALL about it. I'm sure that if God was so against something, Jesus would've at least mentioned it once or twice.

The only other Bible passage that might sound anti-gay comes from Paul, who also thought that nobody should have sex at all if they could help it. Paul was messed up, IMHO.

Originally posted by minicoopertx

As for God forbidding homosexuality, it's NOT IN THERE except for the old law of Leviticus, which we just discussed. Grab your Bible and find the part where Jesus says ANYTHING about homosexuality.
You won't.

I'm guessing that was directed at what I said? I'm not sure if you read the rest of my post where I said "my views on religion and how it is incorporated with things like sexuality are not affected by a church or a book." Apparently I'm not paying attention in scripture class (or I just need to wait until I take ethics next year to make up my mind). Or I could just read the bible! But I won't because I know I'm too lazy.

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Originally posted by postalsam2

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Originally posted by minicoopertx

Get it right before you start talking about the rules...

The place where it talks about the "abomination" of homosexuality is in Leviticus. That's in the Old Testament, which was a chapter on Jewish Law. When Christ came, he instituted a NEW COVENANT, meaning that those old laws didn't apply. If they DID still apply, then in that same book there are laws that would prevent you from eating shrimp, playing football, or wearing a cotton/poly blend shirt. Luckily, those laws are no more. Some "Christians" just like to pick out the ones they like and ignore the ones they don't.

As for God forbidding homosexuality, it's NOT IN THERE except for the old law of Leviticus, which we just discussed. Grab your Bible and find the part where Jesus says ANYTHING about homosexuality.
You won't. He says NOTHING AT ALL about it. I'm sure that if God was so against something, Jesus would've at least mentioned it once or twice.

The only other Bible passage that might sound anti-gay comes from Paul, who also thought that nobody should have sex at all if they could help it. Paul was messed up, IMHO.

Places on the Pastor hat now ... (http://www.bbcmarbury.com - Note the Pastor's name.)

What Jesus tells people is to obey the commandments of His Father and the laws given unto men. He does not need to repeat them - else He would be repeating Himself since he IS God in the flesh. Therefore His New Commandment was to "love your neighbor as yourself". Second only to the most important which is "to Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and strength." Thus, if you were loving the Lord, you would already be obeying His commandments, and again not need to be reminded of what they are.

Now, as far as your vague reference to what Paul said which was inspired by the Holy Spirit, given FROM God, it says in 1 Corinthians 6:8-10: "Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Seems pretty straight and clear to me about homosexuals not going to heaven. Not sure how you could mis-interpret that one, or think it to be "sounding anti-gay". It does not "sound" that way, it is that way!

Additionally, Romans 1:27 "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

Finally, as far as Paul talking about people not having sex, what he actually says is that it is better to remain single like him, than to burn in your lust. That is, control yourself and your desires to have sex. However, if you cannot control yourself and remain pure for the work of the ministry, then you should marry.

Prior to jumping next time and acting like you know what you are talking about biblically, make sure you know what you are quoting, for there are some here that will stand and correct you. Gay adult man or Alien from Pluto, if you are going to reference the Word of God, you ought to know what you are talking about.

/End of Pastor Rant

Why is the bible so full if hate if it supposedly preaches about how good God is, and how loving it is?

Originally posted by CalawayPark

Why is the bible so full if hate if it supposedly preaches about how good God is, and how loving it is?

He is good. He sent His Son to die for you; all He asks is that we live by His rules, not our own. Seems pretty easy to understand. Those who choose not too live by God's rules, bring to themselves what God has already said will happen.

Simple, effective, and cut and dry. You can have it your way, its your choice to obey or not, period.

Originally posted by TConwell

Originally posted by CalawayPark

Why is the bible so full if hate if it supposedly preaches about how good God is, and how loving it is?

He is good. He sent His Son to die for you; all He asks is that we live by His rules, not our own. Seems pretty easy to understand. Those who choose not too live by God's rules, bring to themselves what God has already said will happen.

Simple, effective, and cut and dry. You can have it your way, its your choice to obey or not, period.

So, apparently it's my choice to choose what I can't choose because Got told me not to choose what I would never choose on my own?

Um, sounds pretty confusing to me. I mean, I believe God is good, but why does it feel like I'm being punished for NOT living a miserable life?

Originally posted by CalawayPark

So, apparently it's my choice to choose what I can't choose because Got told me not to choose what I would never choose on my own? Um, sounds pretty confusing to me. I mean, I believe God is good, but why does it feel like I'm being punished for NOT living a miserable life?

Your reply is confusing man. God gives each of us a choice, plain and simple.

As far as living a miserable life ... as a Christian, I have never had so much much fun, ever -- and I did not find the Lord's way of life until I was 21 years old ... some 13 years ago. The choice to live by the Word of God or not IS your choice, and yeah man, it is totally your choice. You can choose.

This whole thing that people are born one way or another is well, an excuse that has pacified people and attempted to justify lifestyles. There is no "gay gene" as well as there is no "hetero gene" ... thus, being gay is not genetic. It is a choice, a preference, and each has to decide how to live.

What I am saying is that I believe the Word of God, from cover to cover, and that is how I live my life. You are free to choose how to live yours. Either way though, you and anyone else here would always be welcome at my house to have dinner with my family. I do not segregate myself from anyone, you just will not see me performing any "civil unions" because God has said it is a sin. Thus, I will not partake in the ceremony, but be a friend to them? Yes indeed. Some of my closest friends are gay and we have an understanding. As long as they do not hit on me, we are good. (lol)

Seriously though, I do not approve of their lifestyle, but you do not see me casting them out. As a matter of fact, I am working on someone from work coming to my church who is openly gay. It has been a good discussion to date with this person, and to top it off, this person is someone that I respect dearly.

Originally posted by TConwell

Originally posted by CalawayPark

So, apparently it's my choice to choose what I can't choose because Got told me not to choose what I would never choose on my own? Um, sounds pretty confusing to me. I mean, I believe God is good, but why does it feel like I'm being punished for NOT living a miserable life?

Your reply is confusing man. God gives each of us a choice, plain and simple.

As far as living a miserable life ... as a Christian, I have never had so much much fun, ever -- and I did not find the Lord's way of life until I was 21 years old ... some 13 years ago. The choice to live by the Word of God or not IS your choice, and yeah man, it is totally your choice. You can choose.

This whole thing that people are born one way or another is well, an excuse that has pacified people and attempted to justify lifestyles. There is no "gay gene" as well as there is no "hetero gene" ... thus, being gay is not genetic. It is a choice, a preference, and each has to decide how to live.

What I am saying is that I believe the Word of God, from cover to cover, and that is how I live my life. You are free to choose how to live yours. Either way though, you and anyone else here would always be welcome at my house to have dinner with my family. I do not segregate myself from anyone, you just will not see me performing any "civil unions" because God has said it is a sin. Thus, I will not partake in the ceremony, but be a friend to them? Yes indeed. Some of my closest friends are gay and we have an understanding. As long as they do not hit on me, we are good. (lol)

Seriously though, I do not approve of their lifestyle, but you do not see me casting them out. As a matter of fact, I am working on someone from work coming to my church who is openly gay. It has been a good discussion to date with this person, and to top it off, this person is someone that I respect dearly.

I just don't understand the fact that we could be one of the most caring persons in the world, yet we're not going to heaven because of a sexual preference. We could save Earth from sure destruction, yet we still do not have the option to go to heaven. No, it's NOT a choice whether you want to be gay or not, but only a gay person knows that.

By the way, my reply was supposed to be confusing, to show that the bible IS confusing. [:p][:)]

I got your attempt at being confusing, yet I think you only confused yourself so hopefully I helped unconfuse you. If not, perhaps I helped someone else read through the rhetoric.

On point though mate, you still have to choose. I have met several people who "used to be" gay ... thus proof that it can be done. But again my friend, everyone has a choice. Plain and simple. Hence why the bible is one of those all or none type of things. Many will try to pick out only parts that they like and act like other parts never existed, but ignorance of something or pretending you did not know about it does not obsolve you from the responsibility -- it is a complete book. You either believe it or you do not, as for me, I believe it all and thus, live my life accordingly.

Think of it this way. Say you get pulled over by a cop for speeding. You tell him that you did not see the speed limit sign. Should he let you go? No, you still broke the law. Same thing here. If you choose to not believe that is your choice, but now, at the very least, you are fully aware of what the law says.

[Kev]

a choice, eh? so, you're saying that you have endless urges to pound hot guys, but you choose not to for God? I seriously doubt that...

The whole "being gay is a choice" thing is complete BS. If gay people could simply choose to be straight, I'm sure most would, just to be able to fit in and not feel separated from people who don't agree with their lifestyle. Just my two cents.

Originally posted by Kev

a choice, eh? so, you're saying that you have endless urges to pound hot guys, but you choose not to for God? I seriously doubt that...

Well that was blunt!

But anyway, I still refuse to conform to the allegation that being homosexual is a choice. It's completely not.


I guess that being homosexual makes me a terrible person, kind of sad, isn't it? Being a terrible person for something I know I can't control?

People who say they 'used to be gay' are in utter denile, or they're lying.

tconwell said "homosexual offenders" a few posts back when quoting the bible. i'm almost 100 percent sure that this particular statement is a mistranslation. the word "homosexual" or at least the difference between heterosexual and homosexual tendancies was not named and put into catergories untill the 1880's. the victorians were the first to separate the two and name the two groups. untill then, there was no word for "homosexual" so it could not have appeared in the origional scripture.

[Kev]

Originally posted by CalawayPark

Originally posted by Kev

a choice, eh? so, you're saying that you have endless urges to pound hot guys, but you choose not to for God? I seriously doubt that...

Well that was blunt!

Yeah, I tend to be that way sometimes. I guess I could have worded that a little bit better. Sorry.

TCon, with all due respect... the Bible is full of flaws. While it may have been inspired by God, the stuff that got written down is inconsistent and full of the prejudices of the time.

If the Bible is the unfailing, inerrant Word of God with no mistakes, then tell me this:

on the third day after the crucifixion, who went to the tomb?

This seems like such a simple thing. How hard can it be to record who went there? Yet each book gives a different list of people. They can't even agree on what happened when whoever it was got there.

How about it? They can't ALL be right, when they don't match.

As for your quote from Romans, you are using an ENGLISH TRANSLATION. Not every English translation uses the term "homosexuals" in that passage. Why not? Because in the language of the original text, there was no mention of it. The original language was referring to male prostitutes, which is far different than a loving gay relationship.

And on the bit about "going against their natural relations with women", I agree. If someone is naturally inclined to be with a woman, then it would be a sin to deny that and go with a man.

LIKEWISE, if a man is naturally inclined to be with a man, then it is a sin for him to be with a woman. It would be against God's plan FOR HIM.

I have no problem with you believing what you want to. I just think it's wrong.

Originally posted by TConwell

On point though mate, you still have to choose. I have met several people who "used to be" gay ... thus proof that it can be done.

Those people are lying. They either still are gay or never were. I'm sure that most will agree that your sexuality would never change after adolescence, the only thing that can cause a change is whether you admit to your own sexuality or not, depending on what it is.

Hence why i think people who "used to be" gay is bollucks. No offence Tcon. I'm fed up with people thinking its a choice, i got that from my own parents when i told them. Sure its a choice if you want to live a lifetime with a woman you probably like a lot but do not truly love like a man; however i am sure in the eyes of God that would be a sin also.

It's not a choice per se, it's more something that gets influenced by your environment. Eventually after awhile in a certain environment you can't see yourself any other way, and bam yer either gay, straight, or bi.

Opinions still vary fellas. However to clarify one thing that coaster and mini referred to, they are correct that the word homosexual is a "common translation". The word used in the King James version (that would be the version published in 1611) was ... sodomite. Hence where the word, sodomy, comes from. Different word -- same meaning.

While I can see that my responses certainly brought you guys out of the wood-work to defend your lifestyle, let's leave it like this: One day when we all die (I think we can agree that death is common no matter who you sleep with), we will have our answer. I prefer to live by the biblical word with the hope and faith that my view is correct. If not, then so be it ...

I understand what you mean TCon, it makes alot of sense to me and i think most of the stuff you said was indeed right. You actually proved the bible is against homsexuality, its true, however much us gays try and ignore it, in the eyes of God we are sinning to hell and back. So you made sense to me.

Although the gay choice thing did get me a little wound up. Sorry to carry on with the same theme but there is no choice about it. When i first realised i was gay you dont know HOW SCARY it was. When you're about 13 and have no-one to talk to and you know you're gay, all you want to do is change and be straight, but you can't so you're whole life starts falling apart for a while, until you admit it to yourself properly. You can't choose to even ignore it, i think if i had ignored it for the last 3 or 4 years i would have killed myself by now. Which is also a bloody sin so theres NO WAY OUT?! It is really hard when certain people in society are saying "conform, conform, conform", when your own mind, soul and penis is telling you to do the exact opposite. Seriously no choice about it. fullstop.

[Kev]

Originally posted by TConwell

Opinions still vary fellas. However to clarify one thing that coaster and mini referred to, they are correct that the word homosexual is a "common translation". The word used in the King James version (that would be the version published in 1611) was ... sodomite. Hence where the word, sodomy, comes from. Different word -- same meaning.

While I can see that my responses certainly brought you guys out of the wood-work to defend your lifestyle, let's leave it like this: One day when we all die (I think we can agree that death is common no matter who you sleep with), we will have our answer. I prefer to live by the biblical word with the hope and faith that my view is correct. If not, then so be it ...

Actually, there are many straight people out there that can be considered 'sodomites'. It refers more to a sexual act than it does to a specific group of people. I think the bible considers this a sin because it obviously defeats the purpose of 'going forth and multiplying'.

Anyway... sorry for my rude comment earlier. Like many other people on here apparently, I am gay too. I've known it since I was very young... didn't accept it for over 30 years though. In that time, I tried my hardest to be straight... but I eventually realized that it was a losing battle and decided it was time for me to try being happy instead. For the most part, gay humor and criticisms don't really irritate me all that much. And the gay marriage debate has never really got me wound up either like it has a lot of people, since I realize that 'marriage' is just a word. But when someone tells me I have a choice... well, that always hits me kind of wrong due to the amount of time it took for me to come to terms with myself. I do respect your opinions though... I guess I just need to work on showing my respect.

Wow... I just outted myself on coastercrazy.com. I'm such a [r] .

WOW theres so many of us gays here on weeweeslap! I wonder why!? I think its the name of the website, i bet most were looking for gay porn and found this instead [:D][lol]

Even though I disagree with Christianity [in lack of another word] rejects Christianity, I believe it's wrong to force Christians to change what they believe in just for a Christian marital service.

In my honest opinion, if I were to get legally married, I would have no problem going to court [excuse me if I'm wrong] to get a legal union with my partner. To me, marriage is a religious act. And I'm sorry, but, we shouldn't be trying to change a the Bible just for personal gain.