Shockwave to return to SFGAM in 2005

but most people cant handle the extreme lateral slam it gives you or just the extreme intensity of the ride...it simply wouldn't be able to operate with todays standards, even though its a far better coaster than anything operating today.

I like rides being intense with laterals, positives, negatives, etc., but I don't like headbanging, the ones with them give me headaches, but I can handle intense things.

i think steel coasters should be smooth with lots of airtime. actually, i think steel rides should be like arrow made them...well, most of them, some arrow's were too rough. but wooden rides should be like excalibur @ funtown.

Wooden rides should have great lateral gs, great airtime, always have NAD or PTC trains, compact layout unless its an out and back, and be intense. Good examples would be Phoenix @ Knoebels, Idora Wildcat, Mr. Twister @ EG, Dayton Wildcat, Racing Whippet, Coney Island Thunderbolt, Lincoln Park Comet, etc.

Steel coasters? same as wood [8D] Good examples would be Anaconda @ PKD, Shockwave @ PKD, Volcano @ PKD, Phantom's Revenge @ Kennywood.

shockwave @ pkd?!?! your crazy! that was the worst ride i've ever been on! it was too slow at some parts, too fast on others, the seats (stand up harnesses) were crap, the line was too long and ony about a 16th full and the ride itself was just overall a bad expierence. the only part i liked about it was the drop and the loop! but the rest you mentioned were tons of fun! except anaconda was slow...

Shockwave has lateral gs, airtime, and great positives. Its INTENSE and THRILLING [;)] I hear tons of "enthusiasts" complaining about that ride, and they call themselves thrillseekers. They dis the rides that aren't perfectly smooth but are intense, but then they go and say B&Ms are the best, and MF and TTD are so great, just like the GP do! Honestly, I don't wanna sound mean or anything, but I'm just tired of people calling themselves thrillseekers when they don't have the guts to handle a thrilling ride so they go and say its crap.

Frankly, Shockwave (The GAm one, the PKD version too for that matter...) was crap. A boring layout, and major engineering...issues.

I still stick to my opinion...What I look for in coasters is something that I can't get from looking at a computer screen riding a NoLimits coaster, which is why I like Shockwave [;)]

Well, IF, I don't know of any true enthusiasts that don't like B&Ms, or for that matter, almost all coasters.

i like b&m rides and i am an enthusiast. but i do have to admit that b&m rides are getting boring. and how can you be an "enthusiast" if you think most coasters are crap? if anyone isnt an enthusiast, its you intaminfan.

I don't think most coasters are crap...and how does me not liking B&Ms make me not an enthusiast? I prefer more intense rides, I do not HATE B&Ms, I just think they're boring after you ride them once. I'm not the type of person who goes around complaining "OH NO! THERES A SLIGHT HEADBANG ON THIS COASTER AND IT ISN'T GLASS SMOOTH! IT SUCKS!" like a lot of "enthusiasts" are. Doesn't being a coaster enthusiast mean you don't think exactly the same way about coasters as the GP? Then why do most ennthusiasts like the exact same coasters as the GP and have the same view on them. Thats why tons of people like TTD and MF, because they simply think the taller or faster a coaster is then its obviously better. I hope I don't sound mean or anything but its so stupid...

Actually, I don't like Mf or TTD because they are tall or fast, but how many wooden coasters do you know of that will give you a launch like that? I like them not because it doesn't throw me around, but because they are fun, and to me it feels like ur flying!!! So, just because intamin rides and b&m rides don't throw you around doesn't mean that it isn't gonna be fun.

Hey, looks like xlr8 knows what he's talking about. That's an enthusiast. Enthusiasts are supposed to LIKE coasters, not complain and pick them apart. I like MF for the exact same reason as xlr8: They are just plain fun. High-flying speed that really makes you feel alive. Yeah, they don't throw you around like a CCI, but CCIs don't give such a great feeling of speed. Sure it's nice, but it's not Intamin speed. I also like the Arrow megaloopers. Despite the headbanging, they really are just plain fun.

I don't much care for B&M's, but Shockwave was just crap. I like a good intense ride. Shockwave was violent for all the wrong reasons.

Exactly, enthusiasts are supposed to like coasters, but then why do enthusiasts dis stuff like shockwave, or arrow loopers because they aren't perfectly smooth? (not saying this about you, McFly, since your not one of these people). To me, B&Ms and some other steel coasters aren't thrilling, thats why I don't like to ride them a lot and just dont care for them. Enthusiasts don't really like kiddy coasters, they aren't AGAINST them, its just not a type of coaster we like because they aren't intense for us, but are great for kids. My opinions on B&Ms and some other steel coasters are like that. They aren't really intense or thrilling for me, but are great family coasters and people who want a more gentle ride. I state my opinions on B&Ms when people act like sissys and complain about minor roughness of a great coaster for example, but then I am accused of the one who isn't an enthusiast because I don't agree with them...its freaking ridiculous. Whoever says I'm not an enthusiast because I don't really get any thrill or entertainment from B&Ms or most coasters at SFMM or CP, or all the other popular stuff is just being a hypocrite, because I know you guys aren't enthusiasts for kiddy coasters...jeez [:(!]

hey im not trying to be bad guy here, but why does your name(IF) have 'intamin' in it if you don't like intamin rollercoasters..?

and just for the rcord i agree with intaminfan....a bit![:o)][}:)]

When did I say I didn't like Intamin coasters? Intamin rocks, they make some of the best steel coasters around IMO, Volcano is one of my fav steelies, SROS @ SFNE is amazing, and Expedition GeForce looks to be great...I'm not a fan of the Intamins at CP though.

Why is it, that you like some of the Intamin coasters at the LARGER parks such as sixflags, and paramounts, but you don't like them at CP??? It's just confusing that you would not like a very intense launch such as TTD, and then you like some of those other equally intense rides??? Also, it's confusing that first, you say all those intamin rides suck and all the wooden coasters rule, but now your saying Intamin rox! I'm really confused about all of this...

Whats wrong with not liking the Intamin coasters at CP? I just think the Intamins they have there arent that great, they dont have the things that I look for in a coaster. MF doesn't have really any airtime besides the last bunny hill, TTD's launch is only good for about 2 seconds, and Wicked Twister is an impulse, and I don't really like Impulses that much (unless they have the holding brake, but WT doesn't). S:ROS @ SFNE and Expedition geForce aren't equally intense with the rides at CP IMO...they have many instances of great negative gs. And please tell me when I've ever said "Intamin rides suck"...

Ok, Ok. I think I side with intaminfan here. Shockwave at PKD is the only standup coaster I have wanted to ride more then 5 times. Yeah, its rough. But if you don't have the balls to get banged around a few times, excuse my language, then frankly I don't think your a real thrill seeker. Most enthusiasts diss on arrow and togo for their roughness, now I know there are some just too painful Togos out there, but shockwave isn't one of them. Shockwave is just a plain old great ride, and every time I get off of it I have a big smile on my face. The airtime is very very good, especially considering B&M standups have 0 airtime, mabye one instance of mild hangtime.

Anaconda-one of my favorite loopers...take it any day over a B&M looper. I don't dislike B&M rides, they just as intaminfan, don't do it for me. They are fun, but don't give me any thrill to speak of. Too smooth and too little force. All there is is positive Gs. Anaconda has positive gs, negative gs, and lateral gs, and only one headbang, which is completely avoidable. Yeah, its rougher then a B&M by far, but its also much more intense. This goes for just about every arrow megalooper too. "Enthusiasts" really get on my nerves most of the time. When I go to a park, I do it for fun. I have fun on the coasters. I don't go picking aorund trying to find every detail wrong that I can, which seems what most of you are doing.

I also agree that I on the most part love intamin rides, sros@sfne is top 3 steel for me, the other sros I've ridden is top 10. Volcano is top 10. But millie and ttd arent. Millie doesnt have much of any force compared to the SROSes, and only 2 instances of air I felt, though some say there is more. TTD to me is just another one trick pony. I'm glad I rode it, it was alooot of fun, but just nothing like the other Intamins, at least not for me.

See people like tony and me have fun on every coaster at a park, and don't diss them down, well not that much. I'll say a ride is boring or forceless if it is. I like rides that are intense, have more then just positive Gs, rides that make you smile very bigly if thats a word. B&Ms just arent as forceful as say a good wooden coaster or an arrow megalooper, so I don't ride them as much. Don't think that that means I hate them though, seriously.

Thats my little 2 cents there.

So, nigtride, are you saying on some rides like millenium force and ttd, you didn't even spread a grin across your face??? Also, when it comes to standup coasters, if you have ever ridden on georgia scorcher, it has a camelback that banks about 90 degrees and that gives u plenty of airtime especially in the back seat. Another thing, according to theme park review, they said that MF had about 8 seconds of airtime in the whole ride. That sounds like alot of airtime to me. Another thing is that you said u don't diss some rides, much. That doesn't sound like an enthusiast to me. I don't diss rides just because they don't have anyforce, I like them because the feeling of it isn't getting your brains messed up with extreme intense g's (even tho i like those); I like them just because they are coasters, and to me, an enthusiast is supposed to be someone who loves all coasters. Another 2 cents from me...

You just said what I did......an enthusiast loves all coasters. Lol.

I've yet to ride Georgia scorcher. And while riding all but probably 2 coasters, I've got a big grin on my face....I was making a point, not saying I don'thave fun on coastes. I have fun on just about every coaster. B&Ms aren't bad rides, I didn't say they were. I said they didn't have as much force as some others. Thats not a bad thing, its just to me not AS good. Honestly most coasters have quite a bit of force, some just rise far above the rest, most of those being wooden coasters such as boulderdash or legend, or sros@sfne. I'm not saying everything else sucks, or is boring, I'd just rather be on boulderdash then raptor. Is that a sin?

And about millie.......there is no possible way it has 8 seconds of air when I rode it. Air means my posterior is off the seat. There were 2 places that happened. First drop and bunny hill.

i dont see why boulderdash is such a great ride.. its TAME!!! and its really really smooth for a wooden ride. and the airtime, although abundant, isnt very strong. dont get me wrong, the ride is really fun! but other rides, like excalibur at funtown are much more thrilling imo.