The Most Dangerous Man Alive?

Obvious that it's completely ignorant and only used as a last ditch effort by far right wing people because they don't have anything else? Yeah.

I thought everyone has moved on to the Special Olympics comment now, since that one actually holds water somewhat (though compared to some of the Bushisms.........)

[Coasterkidmwm]

Originally posted by eltoronum1

has anyone noticed his middle name? i mean come on..

Yes. You can tell who all of the racist subhuman pieces of crap are without going through the trouble of getting to know them. Very easy quick shortcut.

Originally posted by Freddie

I also think that the best thing to come out of this is giving us a reason to tackle energy. Energy has been a much more steady problem for many more years than the recent economy, or the wars, have been. "Drill baby drill" is a short term solution to a long term problem. I won't go into detail as I'm sure everyone knows the problems with fossil fuels, but I will say I believe now is the best time to take this on, because again, it puts people to work. Researchers, construction workers, operators, etc. No bad can come from that.

As for whether I think the 4 year number is realistic, I honsetly don't know, but I think we'll have a new president in 2013 if it isn't. We're only 2 months into Obama's first term, and a lot has been done already (republicans will claim spend spend spend, but again, I see it as an investment to better the country and put people to work). I'm not an economist so I can't really make a prediction as to what will happen nor in what time frame, but I am thinking the DJIA's overall increase is a positive sign.

Freddie - I agree that energy is going to be a huge issue here, most especially in light of all that we have been through. With the push to work on clean coal as energy, perhaps something can change for our kids years down the road. Personally, and I have always said this, I feel as if Obama is the "transition man". Sort of the one who sets things up -- because in 2012 we shall see both parties allow to move forward the one they really want (unless the aforementioned gets the nod to continue on his same path).

My greatest concern though, is where the country will be located at that time financially, and business-wise. Will our dependence be worse or greater on middle east resources and how much further will our debt be due to a complete lack of fiscal responsibility over the last decade? The answer here is not spend, spend, spend -- but if you say it enough the "sheeple" will sure start to adopt it as their mantra sooner or later.

I don't think our dependency on the middle east will be any greater, maybe less if anything. I'd actually consider Saudi Arabia one of the larger threats there in the long term because of this, because we basically run their economy by buying their oil. Be more concerned with the debt to China and to a lesser extent Europe than dependency on the middle east.

With that said, have you been watching any coverage of the G20? Apparently it's going well, and diplomatic relations are moving very forward. I haven't heard the full story, but there have been talks of diplomatic relations with Iran - I'd say that's making a pretty huge step. Not to mention the Russian president has been very eager to meet with President Obama for a while now, so that meeting should help things along too.

I want to say that diplomacy is one of the biggest reasons I voted for Obama. I don't think this was nearly as big of an issue as it should have been in the campaign. Getting us back to being a nation that works issues out rather than just invading the enemy country is something we desperately need in modern times. We are not all cowboys as the Bush administration had the rest of the world believe for the past eight years.

As for being a transition man, I agree there. Since early on in his campaign, even when my mom was for Hilary, I always thought this guy was sincere in trying to make an effort to better the country, and even if he doesn't accomplish it he's going to go down trying.

I don't know that both parties will be moving forward 2012 however. The Republican party is dying in my opinion, Rush Limbaugh pulling the trigger when he was the head of CPAC as well as Bobby Jindle's wonderful speech after the address to Congress. I have a feeling the two major parties are going to be Dem and Independent in 2012, or maybe even for the 2010 Congressional midterms. I'd go into this more, but it steps into religion and I don't really want to go there right now.

Just thought I should mention that one of the first things mentioned in the Republican alternate budget was corporate tax cuts. [;)]

Originally posted by TConwell

Originally posted by Z00Z3R

Stop relying on the government to fix all of our problems. That's how our country leads to failure. That's how more problems arise.

And please tell me that the above was not meant for me. I totally against the government having any more involvement in my life than they already have. I think I have made that perfectly clear for ... oh I don't know, the last 19 years of my adult life.

no worries, that wasn't being directed at you.

obama osama.. sounds the same to me

Again with that ignorance.

Originally posted by TConwell


Freddie - I agree that energy is going to be a huge issue here, most especially in light of all that we have been through. With the push to work on clean coal as energy, perhaps something can change for our kids years down the road. Personally, and I have always said this, I feel as if Obama is the "transition man". Sort of the one who sets things up -- because in 2012 we shall see both parties allow to move forward the one they really want (unless the aforementioned gets the nod to continue on his same path).

so it turns out we're both on the same side of the fence here. except for one thing...

clean coal

no.

[Coasterkidmwm]

Clean coal, biodiesel, and hydrogen fuel cells are all total rubbish. Clean coal is the Republican nicey nicey "look at me I care" tool while biodiesel and hydrogen fuel cells are the democratic equivilant.

Using 1/4 of America's corn supply to fuel less than 5% of the vehicles is pathetic.

There isn't enough platinum on earth to make enough hydrogen fuel cells to convert all of America's vehicles to hydrogen.

Clean coal is like a clean rusty syringe, I don't see how that needs further explanation.

Thought maybe some people might like this photo taken at the G20 today:



The Saudi Prime Minister doesn't seem too happy, maybe because he isn't in the pockets of Bush anymore.

^ In case you want the REAL photo from the G20 and not some doctored up one ...

Originally posted by Coasterkidmwm

Clean coal, biodiesel, and hydrogen fuel cells are all total rubbish. Clean coal is the Republican nicey nicey "look at me I care" tool while biodiesel and hydrogen fuel cells are the democratic equivilant.

Using 1/4 of America's corn supply to fuel less than 5% of the vehicles is pathetic.

There isn't enough platinum on earth to make enough hydrogen fuel cells to convert all of America's vehicles to hydrogen.

Clean coal is like a clean rusty syringe, I don't see how that needs further explanation.

I am not a political analyst, but it seems to me that the President is pretty much loving what you call "rubbish".



Freddie, yes, diplomacy is really an issue that we've been lacking and I don't think anyone would disagree. VP Biden made a great comment during the campaign (debate) which said, "Folks, do you remember when the world used to look to us for leadership?" In my eyes, that was off the cuff, brilliantly said, and probably hit home with loads of people. But, my biggest concern here, again, is hopping into bed with a nation like Iran because it's the "right thing to do". We helped out Saudi in the 80s defend itself and gave weapons, etc., and we see where that got us. I am concerned about our willingness to help; and it being used against us or backfiring on us.

Originally posted by Freddie

Thought maybe some people might like this photo taken at the G20 today:



The Saudi Prime Minister doesn't seem too happy, maybe because he isn't in the pockets of Bush anymore.

ha.. hahahaha. oh wow. saved. if it was bigger, that would be my desktop.

I am not a political analyst, but it seems to me that the President is pretty much loving what you call "rubbish".

i know. and that's a big problem.

[Coasterkidmwm]

Posted by Tcon

I am not a political analyst, but it seems to me that the President is pretty much loving what you call "rubbish".

I'm VERY aware of that and was rather unhappy about it, however progress in the somewhat right direction is better than complete arrogant negative progress (Bush administration).

To be honest, I feel really confused about this whole thing. I didn't approve of what Bush, nor my political party, was doing, but I don't think that Obama has been doing the right things either. I suppose all I can do is pray for the best. I'm going to graduate from college soon, so I'm really worried about the job market.

Obama seems bent on developing a cult of personality by traveling and talking endless. Is he ever in his office? Talk,Tv appearances and seeing the Queen followed by worldwide travel wount help the economy and activies like this is costly and no help to the economy.

Every president attends the summits, they are meetings of the global leaders. By making TV appearances he's trying to reconnect with the rst of the world......something we haven't had in the past eight years. He hinted at all of this in his inaugural speech with this quote:

And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman, and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and we are ready to lead once more.

Also, how soon people forget that the majority of Bush's first few months were spent at camp David. Obama has taken one weekend at camp David, and one weekend back in Chicago so far. All of the rest of the time he has been in office or doing something else political. He has done a lot for the economy so far - I don't see how people can dispute this. The Recovery and Reinvestment act (stimulus), the TARP, etc. I don't understand this - he's been in office two months and because everything isn't fixed, he's doing a bad job. I must again point to the dow, which is back up near 8000. I dislike Jim Cramer, but I heard him say last night that he thinks the G20 was a turning point and the worst is over. He said the stock markets are usually about 3 months ahead of everything else, so seriously, give it some time. No one can deny that the stocks have been doing very well since the aforementioned plans were passed/started taking effect.

But, my biggest concern here, again, is hopping into bed with a nation like Iran because it's the "right thing to do". We helped out Saudi in the 80s defend itself and gave weapons, etc., and we see where that got us. I am concerned about our willingness to help; and it being used against us or backfiring on us.

I don't think it's getting into bed with Iran as you put it, at least not like Saudi Arabia where shady oil deals were in place. While I think there might be a political agenda behind Iran wanting civil relations with us in Israel, I still consider it a huge step when a nation that has been made out to be completely hostile and anti American is wanting diplomatic relations.

By the way, the Saudis have been our "allies" because again, they were in Bush's pockets, so where it got us was more on the scale of a transfer of wealth (Socialism!??!?!?!) to them than anything else. I think Bush wanted the same thing (the oil) out of Iraq and Saddam didn't want that because he already had his weapons and money from Bush Sr. The Iraq war and WMDs were a good way to get into Iraq, but the main objective was still oil in my opinion. Remember how big of a deal it was when they lit their wells on fire, like more so than when we lose our own soldiers?

I'm also not so sure that photo was doctored, there were a few similar ones as well. I just found Obama's, Berlusconi's, and Medvedev's pose pretty funny.

[Coasterkidmwm]

Originally posted by fusionxx

Obama seems bent on developing a cult of personality by traveling and talking endless. Is he ever in his office? Talk,Tv appearances and seeing the Queen followed by worldwide travel wount help the economy and activies like this is costly and no help to the economy.

He is attempting to fix our atrocious international reputation mostly caused by the last moron.

Good points again Freddie ... my other concern here though, is that his agenda of self-promotion seems to causing a ruckus where-as he was elected basically on the premise of "unity and change". IMO, the only thing that seems to be changing is the time of day in which he appears on National TV. Honestly, he is so in love with his teleprompters that I am shocked he did not appear and preempt the Series Finale of ER just because he could.

Fusion: Good point as well. I mean, how much is he spending on taking his entourage of hundreds across the globe to say "hiya" to anyone he so desires?

And the closing of Guantanamo .... and new financial regulations set at the G20 ... and setting a timeline for withdrawal from Iraq ..... but yeah those things really aren't change.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ap ... ar-weapons

I have to say this makes me happy to hear, though the bit about rallying support for Afghanistan is still something I don't agree with.

[Coasterkidmwm]

Originally posted by Freddie

And the closing of Guantanamo .... and new financial regulations set at the G20 ... and setting a timeline for withdrawal from Iraq ..... but yeah those things really aren't change.

Don't forget the abortion ruling that is going to spiral the country into rapture and cause all of the blood from the eyes of the first born sons in this country to boil.

lol... nice one.

I do agree with them, but I'll admit my religion can go rather overboard with the theatrics at times.

[Coasterkidmwm]

I think Tcon should admit ALL of his fallacies to Freddie instead of saying "good points" and then switching topics to try and cover his ass.

Originally posted by Coasterkidmwm

I think Tcon should admit ALL of his fallacies to Freddie instead of saying "good points" and then switching topics to try and cover his ass.

[:(] Again with the arrogant insults and innuendos which are unfounded and seek to only tear others down?? Matt, we have seen this crap from you for years and I now am convinced that it is NOT an act, this is who you really are. Wow.

Honestly, do you have any real friends? Because in my professional and personal opinion there is no way one can maintain a relationship with people with the destructive, hateful, and just generally disrespectful attitude you have. Grow a life, Matt. There really is joy in being part of the human race.

...TCon...there is no point in trying. All you can do is learn to live with it and enjoy it somehow [B)]