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Post June 19th, 2005, 3:38 pm
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For the ones who saw the race today, terrible IMO, 6 cars!, unbielivable...

But the question is, do you think those 6 cars deverve the points they gained because of michellenes tire failure?
I think not, they should have all be riding bridgestone, so that the competition was fair...
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Post June 19th, 2005, 3:58 pm

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No, i dont agree, its their tough luck. Its up to the company to have different tyres on hand etc IMO if their others fail.

It was very bad though, i switched it on and went, "Hmmm where are all the other cars!!!". Then i was waiting for more to come out but still nothing and then the race started and i was like "WHAT!!!!!". LOL. I knew about the tyre thing before, but i didnt think it would cause this much trouble.

Post June 19th, 2005, 4:10 pm
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i saw the line up for the start grid and i heard someone talking about tires.....then the warmup round began and the cars were racing like nothing was wrong, then every single micelin took the pitlane and i thought "there chanhing the tyres". But no, they were pushing ithe cars inside.... I was like WHAAAAAAAAAT ??????, well anyway, there's someting positiv: Our dutch guy Albers turned out 5th

Post June 19th, 2005, 5:29 pm

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Yea, sucks that Michelin had to ruin the USA Grand Prix. I thought about going to see it this year - glad I didnt. I would have protested Michelin.

They knew the track, they need to come up with a tire that can handle it. Its not that new.

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yeah, fyi to everyone but Real, its spelled "tire".

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hmm, what the hell! Formula 1 has a rule that they must start with at least 12 cars or postpone the race.....

So I guess Michelin didn't ship the new tires overnight like they were going to...

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The race did start with a full field...then everyone but 6 peeled off into the garage in protest.

Post June 20th, 2005, 2:36 am
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Correction: 14 cars must start, they got out of the race because of the tires, not in protest and it is illigal to take different tires than subscribed a week before the race

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Yes because that means you are racing in unknown circumstances which can be very dangerous.

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Post June 20th, 2005, 4:00 am
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The whole incident was a completely avoidable farce, everyone was to blame in my opinion. First of all, the problem would never have arrisen if they hadn't diamond cut all of the track surface at indianopolis this year. And Real, Michelin (spelling?) really didn't know very much about the track, they went on the same kind of tire that they used there last year, which would have been fine if the surface hadn't been diamond cut, plus we just don't have these long, fast, banked corners here in europe so michelin don't have a chance to test the tires for this kind of event. Bridgstone however, knew full well the changes they had to make to the tires for this race, as their sister company "Firestone" obviously ran in the Indy 500 not that long ago and so they knew exactly what to expect from the track, Michelin didn't have that information. A perfectly reasonable decision could have been made to fly out the changes micheling tires from France the night before the race, but the rules stated that that would breach 5 FIA regulations and so they didn't do that, but really, you have to say that F1 has an obligation to put on the show that people expect and this time an exception should have been made to allow the race to continue with a full grid. On the race day itself, it would have been perfectly easy for the race organisers to have formed a small chican just before the track rejoined the oval circuit, slowing down the cars as they roll onto the banking part of the track, putting less force on the outter wall of the tires, that would have taken about 30 - 45 minutes to do .... and it wasn't done [confused]. Theres even more reason this whole episode could have been avoided, but I can't be arsed to go into them right now [lol]

A terrible day for F1, the worst day for a very long time, all I think that F1 can say now though, is sorry.

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WEEWEE Slap in England we spell it Tyres! so people posting using that spelling are in fact spelling it correct!.(That's providing they are English)

Post June 20th, 2005, 8:35 am

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All I'm upset about is a tainted Ferrari win! I would've liked to see Schumacher win with a full field, not in a pathetic three team race with a poor crowd atmosphere. Oh, well, at least I didn't spend the money to go this year, though it's always a pleasure to listen to the cars do laps (I can hear it from my house). It just wouldn't have been worth it. As for the Michelin (correct spelling, btw) tires, they probably should've been more prepared. Obviously the Bridgestone drivers had no trouble. When they resurfaced the track here I didn't even think about the potential F1 issues; now I'm just hoping the event stays in town because it's my second favorite race. It really is a pity to have such a flop after the best Indy 500 in years.

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Gouldy, please. Dont tell me they couldnt prepare. All it would have taken was to send a crew over to Indy and do some testing. Michelin is a large tire company, they can afford it - they even sell heavily over here so theres no excuse for them saying "Oh, we werent prepared."

The amount of testing the teams do and the companies do leads me to believe they were just ignorant of the changes. They didnt care enough and it burned them. A track so unique and with a new surface would definatly be a red flag to a tire company.


I think it was just negligance on the part of Michelin because theres no excuse for them to not have done testing. Ferarri does a ridiculous amount of testing, so do other teams. I know for a fact that Michelin is one of the largest tire companies out there, with Bridgestone, Goodyear and Firestone. Thats your "Big 4" of tires.


in my opinion, no excuse.

Post June 20th, 2005, 10:35 am

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Anyways they had new tires ready, but the drivers wasn't aloved to use them because of the rules. If they had just been allowed to used those this would have been avoided.

Post June 20th, 2005, 11:26 am
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gouldy, you absolutely cannot blame the racetrack organizers for resurfacing their track. I'm sure every other track in the circuit has had this done in the past, and it was probably not the cause of the problem. The problem, as stated many many times in the Speed telecast, was the vertical G-load around the banked corner. This wouldn't have anything to do with the resurfacing of the track. And plus, the tires are much different this year, because they must run an entire race plus two qualifying sessions. In past years, they would only be built for 15-20 laps. I agree, though, that the problem could have been solved by adding a chicane. Yet again, though, this didn't happen because of teh FIA, as the track organizers were willing to put in a chicane, but the FIA stepped in and said that the race wouldn't be a championship race worth any points if the track was altered.

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I feel sorry for Alonso and Raikonnen, they had worked hard to gain points and Schumacher gains points by doing Sweet love all. I mean, The race really shouldn't have gone on, this was stupid, absolutly stupid. Now Schumacher is nearly going to beat Raikonnen. I feel sorry for the drivers who put the effort in. As for the fans, i wish one of the bottles did hit Schumacher in the head.

Post June 20th, 2005, 12:27 pm

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^Yeah I agree.

I still wouldn't call this the worst day in Formula 1 though. Not even close :(

Post June 20th, 2005, 12:31 pm
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I couldnt think up anyrhing else at that moment, but it is the weirdest

Post June 20th, 2005, 2:34 pm

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wait, what the hell? there was a race.....real shame i didnt notice formula 1 HAHAHA


only racing that is worth while imo is figure 8 racing or sprint cars.

but after reading what happened, i have this to say: michelin is stupid for their actions, formula 1 should refund everyone's money and dump michelin as their tire. then they might not disappear.

Post June 20th, 2005, 2:42 pm

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^Yeah I agree.

I still wouldn't call this the worst day in Formula 1 though. Not even close :(


Yes. Farce indeed. But Ayrton Sennas final race was the worst day of F1. Tragic. Nuff said.

Post June 20th, 2005, 3:17 pm

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Originally posted by ragan

wait, what the hell? there was a race.....real shame i didnt notice formula 1 HAHAHA


only racing that is worth while imo is figure 8 racing or sprint cars.

but after reading what happened, i have this to say: michelin is stupid for their actions, formula 1 should refund everyone's money and dump michelin as their tire. then they might not disappear.


Michelin isn't the only tire used by Formula teams. You have to give Michelin some slack though. They are usually the better tire in Formula 1.

I think they were also afraid of a repeat of Ralf's accident last year.

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