This isn't failing the clearance test?

[Mr. Freeze]

Because it is processed by the editor and the sim, no because you can not change the distance the the handrail is from the track.

Oh OK, so technically it is failing the clearance test. Gotcha.

But even the clearance envelopes are sort of maximums anybody could possibly reach, there is like a 1% chance of anyone ever being able to reach that railing from the train

So, it's safe to say that if that portion of the clearance goes through a support, it's safe? They only have a 1% chance of touching the support?

No, it is not safe if that portion of the clearance envelope goes through a support. CKidd threw out that untrue statistic randomly. And even if it were accurate, 1% is 1 out of every 100 riders, which is 1 rider out of every 3 or 4 train cycles injuring their hand or arm. Any time something passes through the envelope, riders of any height that have average to long arms will be able to touch it. The fact that the fences pass through is not quite as concerning in my opinion because, with the exception of launch sections, catwalks with fences occur when the train is traveling slow; like a lift or a brake. In real life I presume that most fences are outside of the real clearance envelope and you simply cannot modify this parameter in NL2.

[Coasterkidmwm]

tiepilot35 wrote:

CKidd threw out that untrue statistic randomly. And even if it were accurate, 1% is 1 out of every 100 riders, which is 1 rider out of every 3 or 4 train cycles injuring their hand or arm.

So cute when undergrads try to analyze things, do it poorly, and simultaneously totally fail at the initial context. C'mon girl you know exactly what Ckidd was saying that's not needed.

[mkingy]

CKidd wrote:

But even the clearance envelopes are sort of maximums anybody could possibly reach, there is like a 1% chance of anyone ever being able to reach that railing from the train

I imagine that either the NL2 catwalks or the NL2 clearance envelopes aren't quite right.

Nonetheless it's not safe to have anything pass through a clearance envelope - they're designed to reduce the risk to an acceptable level, rather than leave it up to the interpretation of someone who might not be considering the wide spectrum of people that might ride.

I mean "someone might break their wrist but probably not" isn't really a great way of thinking about safety.

Lol, OK. So technically it IS failing the clearance test. Gotcha.

[mkingy]

Unrealistic Coasters wrote:

Lol, OK. So technically it IS failing the clearance test. Gotcha.

Yes, but in NL nobody is going to pull you up for it cause you can't change the width of the catwalks

[Paradox]

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Ok you're right, that's what you want to hear right?

End of discussion

Clearance testing will keep bugging us on! Our never-ending story in an unpleasant way.

What I meant was simply that because everyone is over cautious, you could cut down a few inches and still be able to allow everyone to ride without there being an accident. Obviously anything touching the envelope is bad, but they are probably a tad bigger than they really need to be just in case( Not that its a bad thing, over caution is better than under cautious)

its because its a MCBR. if you look at real coasters the clearance they give in the station area and break runs are much less than on other parts of the track. I have rode a few coaster that i HAVE reached out and touched railings and such. So I say that it DOES pass the clearance.


also tunnels do the same thing.

Most SLCs don't pass the clearance twat. I used to TOTALLY touch the supports on Mind Eraser back at Geauga Lake near the crest of the lift. And I'm only 5'10" I'm super certain many more people can. Let's just say it's an accurate, acceptible failure

[gouldy]

I'd personally say it's fine...

[Dirk_Ermen]

gouldy wrote:

I'd personally say it's fine...

"He just hold up his hands into the air. You wouldn't believe what happened next...!"

(lol... nearly wrote this text in german, because Brain.exe crashed )

You could create the catwalks as 3D models and than you can avoid this problem.
Hmm... would be a fun project, doing everything custom. catwalks, coaster, rails.

tiepilot35 wrote:

No, it is not safe if that portion of the clearance envelope goes through a support. CKidd threw out that untrue statistic randomly. And even if it were accurate, 1% is 1 out of every 100 riders, which is 1 rider out of every 3 or 4 train cycles injuring their hand or arm. Any time something passes through the envelope, riders of any height that have average to long arms will be able to touch it. The fact that the fences pass through is not quite as concerning in my opinion because, with the exception of launch sections, catwalks with fences occur when the train is traveling slow; like a lift or a brake. In real life I presume that most fences are outside of the real clearance envelope and you simply cannot modify this parameter in NL2.

Oh man, don't ever ride a wooden coaster. Law isn't completely strict in this aspect, and there isn't an exact number for what the clearance needs to be. If I remember correctly, the clearance envelope had cover the 95% man. Then manufacturers add the distance they consider necessary to that. Also, as Plantoris said, the clearance doesn't need to be as wide on stations, lifts, mcbr...

Then you have to keep in mind the trains. Some trains limits your movement a lot more than others (for example I don't think you would be able to reach that spot on an Arrow train).

And as said before, there are a lot of coasters that wouldn't pass the clearance train. Would you say they're unsafe?

[gouldy]

Dirk_Ermen wrote:

"He just hold up his hands into the air. You wouldn't believe what happened next...!"

Clickbait.

Fun to watch that video, yay, yay!

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The clearance test is failed when any of these touch the clearance envelope, all of which are avoidable: supports, track, footers, terrain, scenery, tunnels, and the clearance envelopes of other coasters and other blocks of the same coaster. That last one is a bit tricky, it means if there's a possibility of two trains coming in close proximity of each other, their clearance envelopes can't touch each other.

Railings do not fail it as their position relative to the train can't be controlled. In station and brake areas, the train is moving slowly so something protruding a few inches into the clearance envelope isn't a showstopper.

Fun fact: A lot of real coasters don't pass the "clearance test" on catwalks, so they sometimes use "finger warners" like these ones:


(Photo by ernierocker on TPR)

KingRCT 3 wrote:

Fun fact: A lot of real coasters don't pass the "clearance test" on catwalks, so they sometimes use "finger warners" like these ones: