Virginia Tech Shootings

^Amen to that brother.

Originally posted by Edge

boring and lame in the sense it's all been done before. It's nothing new just the same shiz over and over again. I mean back a couple of years ago at Columbine, that was truly shocking, but all we get now is some pathetic copy cat murderers. I think to the rest of the world these kind of events really do portray to us that America is one chuffed up place. Never of this scale has ever happened in the UK and even if a kid is stabbed accidentally by a rogue pen it is splattered all across the news here. I know I sure as hell, in this day and age, not want to grow up in America or even raise kids there. Canada or Australia are the places to be, nothing seems to happen in them places....ever

Arn't the Colombine shooters copycats of all of the previous school shootings before that? THere were many more but COlomibine is only mentioned because it was the deadliest until now.

God this shooting is incredible. My brother goes there and he's an EMT, I've heard from my parents that he had to help with 10 people (alive or dead, I'm not sure), but he's pretty shaken up over it. It's scary thinking that it could've been him.

Also, I'm really surprised at the insensitivity of a certain few on this site.

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Originally posted by BROK1

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Originally posted by WeeWeeSlap

and that email was sent out 2 hours after the first shooting, minutes before the second shooting. I think the school authorities are gonna get sued up their asses for not doing wehat is right and try and get as many people out of the danger. Yes Yes, I know it's protocol to lock the doors and stay in when stuff happens in schools, but you can see, it was a fox that was let into the chickens' pen and it ate all the chickens in there. So imo the authorities should have ordered a proper evacuation of sorts. They had an idea of who it was, the could have profiled him easily on evacuation.

they sounded the bullhorn, but because of the high wind everywhere on the east coast this weekend and all the advisories, people thought it was something to do with that

Ya, i just heard the news. Thats really crazy, do u guys know what was wrong with the guys who was shooting?

[Oscar]

his gf left him and he was looking for her to whack her

Well ... did he get her? I mean, otherwise talk about failing too do what you set out to do in a day!! Geesh .... What really gets me here is the media complaining and seeking to blame someone, anyone, but the gunman. Personnaly, I think VA Tech ought to toss the media off campus and let them report on the bugs on the sidewalk. Enterprise, Alabama tossed the media out when that school was destroyed by a tornado a few weeks ago -- and I think VA Tech ought to get rid of them too. They are certainly NOT helping the situation at all.

In the past there were some shootings like this in Germany too. Afterwards there was always the same old discussion about the kids playing Counter Strike, Doom, Postal or whatever. Many politicians wanted to ban all PC games with any brutality in them and all newspapers and TV shows sent badly investigated reports on e-sports, Counter Strike and even World of Warcraft describing the players as brutal, blood minded sleepers, only waiting for a signal to blow up their school...
Noone really focussed on the gunmens' social situation, for example how their relationship to their parents was and where problems in school and elsewhere came from. In the end it's always the computergames that make them storm their school... How's that in the States, I mean you can get guns much easier and it seams the government cares more about the weapon lobbie's money than the life of students teachers and other civilists.

Mad world

They confirmed during a press release over the last 35 minuntes that the same gun was used for both crimes in the Norris Hall and Ambler Johnston Dormitory.

And for those who say that this is just another instince of a killing, it's not. It is the largest mass killing in United States history! I wish the best for all of the families dealing with such a horrible tragedy.

[Oscar]

I find it funny / ironic that they don't call him a terrrist but Bush is quick to call Mexican llegal immigrants "foreign terrorist coming to the USA illegally." Maybe this was just a thrill for Bush and not a terroristic act in nature. The government here is stupid.

come on wws, this isn't the topic for that.

in regards to the shooter, I heard he had been on anti-depressants before and was not taking them at least a day or two before the shooting.

[Oscar]

Why not? It is true.

I was flipping through channels earlier today and one of the graphics they had up had a photo of the shooter, with large yellow text underneath, tilted sideways for dramatic effect that said "Mental Illness?"

Yes depression is a mental illness, but common, that term has such a negative connotation to it. Whenever you say someone is mentally ill, one usually thinks of more stereotypical illnesses.

Sadly, I'm just waiting till the story breaks that someone who was trying to become friends with him invited him to play some Halo. And from that moment on, he was a natural born killer.... at least in the "fair and balanced" eyes of our reliable news.

Wow! there is a lot of stuff on this thread that I have a need to address so be prepared for a long post here.

I don't know where some of you have been getting your news and info from but, there has been no evidence or statements released about this guy trying to find his girlfriend because he was mad at her. By all witnesses account, the rampage was random and played out in a manner where the intent was to kill everyone in sight. There are accounts that, when he came passed people he had already shot and if they were showing signs of life, he shot them again. I would never defend anything that President Bush has done however, this man is not described as a terrorist because, he wasn't someone who was politically motivated to kill,injure, strike fear and disrupt. Not that that means it's fair to call all illegal immigrants potential terrorist by any means, I just wanted to differentiate.

A lot of you seem to feel that this kind of thing happens in other countries all the time, that's simply not true. Yes, unnecessary violence and death occurs in other countries as well as the U.S. daily however, the non-politically motivated, spree-style shootings do not happen anywhere near as frequently abroad as they do in the States. This is a direct result of America's idiotic lack of gun control laws. This man possessed his weapons legally and had no prior history for any gun retailer to think anything like this could happen. I completely agree that there is an extreme lack of caring when it comes to reports of violence in other countries whether war related or otherwise however, when it comes to the lives of innocent students, the world usually comes to an emotional concesus. As I personally have seen during recent events of students being held hostage and terrorist bombing schools. The people in my life were as affected by them as they are by this event.

I really think the finger pointing towards the university and police is miss-placed. When investigating a double homocide, it is not second nature to assume the assailant is going to go home to get more ammo and then go on a spree. By all accounts and evidence, the initial murders appeared isolated. The 2 people were shot in one room. it wasn't like the gunman had run throughout the dorm shooting. So in that case, the authorities were not required to call out the mass alarm. Even the mass e-mail could have potentially disruppted an investigation into a double homocide. The reason the university should be held somewhat responsible is, all of the recent evidence of how disturbed this man was before hand. And, if he lived on campus, which I don't know if he did, the fact that he possessed 2 guns and a ton of ammo on school property. I don't care how many legal permits a person has, no one should be allowed to openly or diceptively posses weapons on a school campus.

Finally, I read a lot of innapropriate things in these threads and have been guilty of posting them myself on occasion. It's just different people handling things in different ways which is simple human nature. The reasons I felt a need to respond like this are, I saw some inaccurate information posted and very little thought behind a lot of the posts.

My heart and condolences go out to the families of everyone involved. I lost my father on September 11th and therefore understand the shock and horror of losing someone in a violent manner at a time and place you had always assumed was safe. And, having to grieve while the whole world was talking about it, showing it on TV and jumping to all kinds of conclusions. I hope that there is less finger pointing this time around. Columbine, 9-11, The Amish school shootings, all terrorist and war activities have the very same basic root. Intolerence leads to anger, isolation, bitterness and ignorance. That's where the focus needs to be and not on who's to blame.

[Oscar]

I got my info off Fox News Corp [:)]

Well that would explain the error then

Damn... I can never get here early enough, Spongemonkey.

My heart and thoughts are to their families, and especially one that lucked out, because I am a really good friend with someone on another forum I go to; a 'Forum Friend' perhaps; and her cousin was in the room the guy began shooting in. He jumped out the 2nd story window and survived, and did not get shot. Thank the lord.

Originally posted by WeeWeeSlap

Why not? It is true.

whatever the truth of that matter is, this topic is about what happened at VTech, not about what Bush calls people.

I think a lot of the problem may be in your very liberal gun policy. When everyone has a gun, it is much easier for something like this to happen. If he hadn't had the guns, maybe he would have been picked up and given help? I see NRA claiming they need the guns for protection. But if people didn't have that many guns in the first place, the need for protection wouldn't be that big. Also it is a fact that for each time a gun is used in self defense, it is about 17 accidents related to guns (kids finding the gun etc) and more than 22 criminal acts done with guns. Something seems pretty wrong to me.

[hyyyper]

they have the same policy in Belgium, why doesn't anybody get shot over there?

^because america is a bunch of physcos.

It is the largest mass killing in United States history!

I swear there was this whole thing about some people flying two planes into some buildings a couple of years ago, killing hundreds of people, but I may be wrong

Nosferatu: Amen!
Coasterkrazy: I have no idea what a physco is! Although I will agree that, there are way too many instances of people in this country being shunned, ignored, led to believe thay are not worth the same as others, having been bullied and ridiculed, being treated as outcasts and not feeling any sense of socialogical equality. Which tends to weigh heavily in these psychotic episodes.
Edge: There is a big difference between a politically motivated, terrorist attack and a psychotic person or persons going on a shooting spree.